40000 Rapes in Congo

[Caligastia]

bfg900-

I'd like to hear your answer to my original post.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by bfg9000


Americans that brought Africans across the Atlantic and enslaved them, SAVED those Africans and their decendants from the Holocaust that is 21st century Africa.

It's sad that we still have apologists, such as yourself, for slavery even today.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by bfg9000
It is a recurring theme in history that weak countries get exploited by stronger ones. It's immoral, it's not right, but it is a fact. It's just human nature for that to happen. If I'm an African-American looking at it from that perspective, I have to thank God my ancestors were snatched from Africa and brought to America.

That's like being thankful you only lost an arm and a leg in an accident instead of an arm and two legs. Certainly it is an incrediably selfish and inanely limited view of the world.

If that's your take on it, then it is just like saying Jews should be thankful for the holocaust because they got Isreal out of it.

-Drachasor

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by bfg9000
If I was Jewish and had an ancestor snuffed out by the Holocaust, my life is not better today for the Holocaust having happened or for Israel having been created.

It is if you live in Israel.

Americans that brought Africans across the Atlantic and enslaved them, SAVED those Africans and their decendants from the Holocaust that is 21st century Africa.

This is logically absurd. Africans brought over to the Americas were not saved from the 21st Century. They would not have experienced it regardless. Had the European powers not stolen one hundred million Africans (one third of whom died on the way, most of the rest of whom were worked to death when they got here), then carved up the continent and raped it, it is within the realm of possibility that Africa would not be the disaster it is today. Furthermore, America might not be the economy it is today, since it wouldn't have had the free labor to build up the wealth needed to start our industry.

You are saying that people should be grateful for one of the greatest crimes against humanity in history. You are saying that people should be grateful for the crimes committed against their ancestors. You are saying the people should be grateful for the residual effects of those crimes, because at least they aren't in Africa.

[MrFun]

All this white washing of American slavery is just so stupid.

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Actually, without the trans-Atlantic slave trade today's descendents of the slaves that were brought over would not exist because their parents would likely never have met. Whether they would be in Africa today doesn't really enter into it.

That is probably true. If it weren't for slavery African-Americans would not exist. America would not exist in way we know it - we might still be an English colony. Are you just taking issue with the somantics of my argument or are you suggesting that blacks should view themselves only as Americans (because they could only have decended from a combination of slaves in America) and that they only need to be concerned about viewing slavery as a civil rights infringment on their American citizenship and not as former Africans escaping cutural domination by Europeans?

If you want to argue somantics, my premise is written incorrectly. But the same idea still applies. If you are an African-American concerned about the advancement of the African race, you must look objectively at colonial American enslavement of Africans as a positive thing because it paved the way for African assimilation into a European-based culture that had the power to conquer and destroy Africa if it had chose to.

I understand that it is difficult for blacks to be objective about this because they still have to deal with racism and subjugation by whites. For blacks, accepting this idea is almost like accepting the status of being a second-class citizen that has been forced on them by whites for so long. That is NOT what I am trying to suggest here.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by bfg9000


I understand that it is difficult for blacks to be objective about this because they still have to deal with racism and subjugation by whites. For blacks, accepting this idea is almost like accepting the status of being a second-class citizen that has been forced on them by whites for so long. That is NOT what I am trying to suggest here.

No, what you're trying to do, is white wash the history of American slavery.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by bfg9000
Name one country in the world that has produced more significant black contributions to humanity than U.S.

There was no racial segregation in Britain, so "special arrangements" had to be made for American forces in Britain for WW2. We abolished slavery long before you. Don't kid yourself into thinking you lead the world in this issue. You don't and never have.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Ming? I know you ask for people to attack the issues and not the posters, but is there any chance of some leeway when someone's posted a really, really stupid thread? Like 24-carat weapons-grade imbecility?

[Arrian]

This from the guy who once called another poster a member of the Hitler Youth.

Jesus Christo.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

@ Laz.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by bfg9000


That is probably true. If it weren't for slavery African-Americans would not exist. America would not exist in way we know it - we might still be an English colony. Are you just taking issue with the somantics of my argument or are you suggesting that blacks should view themselves only as Americans (because they could only have decended from a combination of slaves in America) and that they only need to be concerned about viewing slavery as a civil rights infringment on their American citizenship and not as former Africans escaping cutural domination by Europeans?

If you want to argue somantics, my premise is written incorrectly. But the same idea still applies. If you are an African-American concerned about the advancement of the African race, you must look objectively at colonial American enslavement of Africans as a positive thing because it paved the way for African assimilation into a European-based culture that had the power to conquer and destroy Africa if it had chose to.

I understand that it is difficult for blacks to be objective about this because they still have to deal with racism and subjugation by whites. For blacks, accepting this idea is almost like accepting the status of being a second-class citizen that has been forced on them by whites for so long. That is NOT what I am trying to suggest here.

I guess my argument is with your semantics. Otherwise, I agree that slavery has had some unintended positive effects to go along with the negative.

[Sava]

I'm just glad the US is ignoring the problem.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Sava
I'm just glad the US is ignoring the problem.

Me too.

[David Floyd]

I've said for years that blacks in the US are, by and large, far better off than blacks in Africa, and as a result reparations are bull****.