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  • #181
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

    Originally posted by MrFun




    You really are racist -- just admit it. Getting pass denial is one of the earliest steps in dealing with any serious problem one may have.
    I define "racism" as being something inseparable from hate. This is the way the word is most commonly used. I don't hate people of other races, therefore I am not racist.
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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    • #182
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

      Originally posted by Caligastia


      I define "racism" as being something inseparable from hate. This is the way the word is most commonly used. I don't hate people of other races, therefore I am not racist.
      rac·ism Audio pronunciation of "racism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
      n.

      1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
      2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
      "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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      • #183
        By denigerating blacks as a backward people and by being a modern apologist for slavery, you most certainly are racist.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #184
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

          Originally posted by Ming


          And slavery helped perpetuate their position as a second class race, and magnified the prejudice... which still exists today.
          No doubt it played a significant part, but their behaviour also plays a part.


          A matter of opinion... it would have happened eventually... and they would have come over and started at the lowest rung of society like everybody else did...
          Well, as you said, it's a matter of opinion. Both of us are just speculating.

          You seem to imply that any gains they have made is due to the sympathy they get for having been slaves...
          Now that's just plain silly... the gains they have made were earned through hard work and brains... the same as any other race. The problem is, that slavery gave them a lower starting point, and has hampered their growth and advancement... it sure as hell didn't help them.
          Yes, some of the gains were through hard work and brains, but without the freedom of western culture those intelligent Africans would not have had a chance to flourish. Slavery only gave them a lower starting point if you assume they would have come over here as free men anyway. If we make a different assumption - that they wouldn't have come over here as free men anyway - then the starting point is not lower than what they otherwise would have had.
          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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          • #185
            The Caliverse is as inane as the Nedverse.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #186
              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

              Originally posted by Drachasor
              dictionary definition of racism
              It might be accurate if you go by the strict dictionary definition, but IMO true racism is a form of hate, and I don't hate anybody as a result of my opinion on race. The dictionary doesn't take into account the way this word is popularly used.
              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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              • #187
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Consider this...

                Originally posted by Caligastia


                It might be accurate if you go by the strict dictionary definition, but IMO true racism is a form of hate, and I don't hate anybody as a result of my opinion on race. The dictionary doesn't take into account the way this word is popularly used.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #188
                  Originally posted by MrFun
                  By denigerating blacks as a backward people and by being a modern apologist for slavery, you most certainly are racist.
                  No, you just don't understand.
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                  ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                  • #189
                    Well lie down on the couch, let me get my tablet and pen, and I will let you talk about your troubles then.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #190
                      The idea that the slave trade itself devestated Africa is stupid, especialy when you added the various kingdoms to the devestation.

                      1). 100 million is a fantastically outrageous number, care to support? Though 1/3 fatality rate for those actually transported seems right.

                      2). For the majority of the slave trade the European colonies supported nothing but isolated forts and outposts in Africa, which actually supported the kingdoms because....

                      3). They traded with the kingdoms for the slaves. It isn't like the the whities were running through the jungle with nets capturing slaves, because capturing indigineous populations in jungles worked great in Vietnam. The kingdoms themselves, which for some odd reason you seem to think were something special, were the drug dealers in this trade.

                      4). The major harm to Africa politically and economically was done during the later colonization phases, after most of the colonizers had already outlawed slavery. Not the topic of this thread.

                      And on another issue the notion that "most," or even half, or even 10% died from unnatural dealths is equally stupid. Even in the slave communities enduring the worst conditions, the islands, their is no profit in killing 90 million (excluding decendants) of your imaginary slave population for no reason.

                      Slavery was a horrible thing and apologizing for it is stupid, but equally stupid is magniflying it out of all historical evidence. Not sure why people feel the need to do this, Hilter was a bastard, no need to make him gay with S&M tendancies as well.
                      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                      • #191
                        Originally posted by Patroklos
                        Hilter was a bastard, no need to make him gay with S&M tendancies as well.

                        What kind of an inane comment is this?
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #192
                          and that a particular race is superior to others
                          That is a very important part. The races are different, obviously they have skin color to support that, but if I don't believe that difference elevates or denegrates a group in any way then I am not a racist.

                          But according to Mr. Fun, because I believe blacks are different because they are more prone to sickle cell, I am now a racist

                          What is also not racist is judging culture. I will tell you right now that "black culture" is stupid and self defeating when averaged as a whole. But that is not a racial trait, it is a chose by millions of like minded individuals to embrace something. Because the main adherrents to that said culture are black, and they acutally voluntarily give it that label, is not a racial concern in the slightest. I equally think the members of my own race that adhere to said culture are stupid.

                          And while liberal facists will recoil in automatic programed horror to this statement, of all the people that divide and perpetuate the black poplation (and all races) of America as something distict and different there is one who do it overwhelming more than the others, and conciously so. Blacks.
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #193
                            I think the distinction between race (a meaningless term, IMO) and culture is an important one.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #194
                              What kind of an inane comment is this?
                              It is just another example of people artificially trying to "inflate" the evil of the already unimaginable evil for no reason.

                              I am sure you are recoiling about the "gay," which is in referance to an orgy of books and studies that afix this to Hitler without any proof. They see it as a way to make him seem more screwed up. I am sure you and other here do not, and I likewise do not think bieng gay makes you evil, bad, or screwed up.
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                              • #195
                                Originally posted by Patroklos
                                The idea that the slave trade itself devestated Africa is stupid, especialy when you added the various kingdoms to the devestation.
                                No, it is true. That some elements of Africa willingly participated in this destruction is horrible, but to be fair they didn't have much of a choice.

                                Originally posted by Patroklos
                                1). 100 million is a fantastically outrageous number, care to support? Though 1/3 fatality rate for those actually transported seems right.
                                It is possible the figure is a 50% fatality rate to those transported. Observers at the time reported such things anyhow.

                                Originally posted by Patroklos
                                2). For the majority of the slave trade the European colonies supported nothing but isolated forts and outposts in Africa, which actually supported the kingdoms because....

                                3). They traded with the kingdoms for the slaves. It isn't like the the whities were running through the jungle with nets capturing slaves, because capturing indigineous populations in jungles worked great in Vietnam. The kingdoms themselves, which for some odd reason you seem to think were something special, were the drug dealers in this trade.
                                There was trading for slaves, but if they hadn't been sold, then the Europeans had already demonstrated they were quite willing to just take them by force. This wouldn't even have come up if it hadn't been for that; The europeans were very, very intent on getting slaves.


                                Originally posted by Patroklos
                                4). The major harm to Africa politically and economically was done during the later colonization phases, after most of the colonizers had already outlawed slavery. Not the topic of this thread.
                                This really isn't entirely true at all. Though the colonization was horrible, the slave trade reduced the population growth rate by so much that by th mid-1800s it was estimated that there would have been twice as many Africans if the slave trade hadn't been in place. That's even more by now. The massive drain of man-power cannot be ignored.

                                Originally posted by Patroklos
                                And on another issue the notion that "most," or even half, or even 10% died from unnatural dealths is equally stupid. Even in the slave communities enduring the worst conditions, the islands, their is no profit in killing 90 million (excluding decendants) of your imaginary slave population for no reason.
                                The larger issue with the slave trade here is how it destroyed the culture of the slaves. This cultural void has caused African Americans great problems as they have struggled to find their identity. Immigrants have never faced this problem.

                                -Drachasor
                                "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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