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[Spiffor]

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Originally posted by Dissident
you seem to imply many of them would have spread to the U.S. naturally. I would like to ask you how most of them could afford that? Very few africans today can afford to get to the U.S. They are way behind other countries in immigration.

However, they now make for the bulk of immigrants in Europe. And they are a reserve of cheap labour for rich Arabic countries.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Patroklos
That is a very important part. The races are different, obviously they have skin color to support that, but if I don't believe that difference elevates or denegrates a group in any way then I am not a racist.

But according to Mr. Fun, because I believe blacks are different because they are more prone to sickle cell, I am now a racist

If you want you can tack on "unproven" to the definition. I'm fine with that. Some people in this thread do have unproven or outright wrong beliefs about blacks.

Originally posted by Patroklos
What is also not racist is judging culture. I will tell you right now that "black culture" is stupid and self defeating when averaged as a whole. But that is not a racial trait, it is a chose by millions of like minded individuals to embrace something. Because the main adherrents to that said culture are black, and they acutally voluntarily give it that label, is not a racial concern in the slightest. I equally think the members of my own race that adhere to said culture are stupid.

And while liberal facists will recoil in automatic programed horror to this statement, of all the people that divide and perpetuate the black poplation (and all races) of America as something distict and different there is one who do it overwhelming more than the others, and conciously so. Blacks.

The only thing I recoil about in your statement is the idiotic point of view that people choose their culture.

The biggest problem conservatives have had throughout history is a huge misperception on human psychology.

Well, there is also the fact that not all African culture is bad. There are just some supremely bad examples to be seen.

-Drachasor

[Gibsie]

If slavery did significatly keep African numbers down, purely looking at things on a world overpopulation viewpoint, and the resultant effects in Africa, that's one thing that certain people could use to say, "Thank god for slavery!".

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Gibsie
If slavery did significatly keep African numbers down, purely looking at things on a world overpopulation viewpoint, and the resultant effects in Africa, that's one thing that certain people could use to say, "Thank god for slavery!".

And the Holocaust, and Stalin, and....etc.

-Drachasor

[Gibsie]

Well, although that logic does follow, and bfg probably appreciates the holocaust for various reasons (None for antisemitic ones, I'm not going to label anyone racist), I mean particularly in Africa. Keeping the numbers of Europeans down is one thing, but on a continent with starvation far greater than in Europe, desertification that would only be worse with greater population pressures etc. it's another matter.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Patroklos


That is a very important part. The races are different, obviously they have skin color to support that, but if I don't believe that difference elevates or denegrates a group in any way then I am not a racist.

On a spiritual level I view everyone as being equally children of God. Our physical bodies and brains are just vehicles that we use to travel through this life. Some of us have better vehicles than others, and some types of vehicles have certain strengths and weaknesses on average. What is so offensive about recognising that? As long as you don't judge an individual soley on their race in a way that robs them of opportunity there is no harm in recognising that different racial groups differ in their average abilities.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Well, although that logic does follow, and bfg probably appreciates the holocaust for various reasons (None for antisemitic ones, I'm not going to label anyone racist), I mean particularly in Africa. Keeping the numbers of Europeans down is one thing, but on a continent with starvation far greater than in Europe, desertification that would only be worse with greater population pressures etc. it's another matter.

But the massive economic hit and other historical factors have surely contributed to the current dire situation.

You can't say everything would be the same just with more people. (Well, you can't, but it isn't accurate).

-Drachasor

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Caligastia
On a spiritual level I view everyone as being equally children of God. Our physical bodies and brains are just vehicles that we use to travel through this life. Some of us have better vehicles than others, and some types of vehicles have certain strengths and weaknesses on average. What is so offensive about recognising that? As long as you don't judge an individual soley on their race in a way that robs them of opportunity there is no harm in recognising that different racial groups differ in their average abilities.

You seem to quick to jump to conclusions without any evidence. That's a big problem.

Genetic tests and other studies have shown human "racial groups" really aren't much different.

-Drachasor

[Gibsie]

I'm specifically trying to think with the "everything would be the same except for the one difference" mindset of bfg here though.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Gibsie
I'm specifically trying to think with the "everything would be the same except for the one difference" mindset of bfg here though.

[Asmodean]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Oh really?

Contrary to common belief, Denmark is not a racist country, and the danish immigration laws have nothing to do with racism. The law that the article mentions is made to stop forced marriages in (primarily) moslem circles. Until this law was passed, it was not uncommon for moslem parents to force their sons and daughters into marriages against their wish. This is perhaps not so great an issue in moslem countries, but because these children were brought up in Denmark, they had adopted danish values, and did not wish to marry against their will.

The law has made it impossible to "import" a spouse if you are below 24 years of age. Since the danish constitution prohibits such a law to distinguish based on race, religion etc, the law has to count for all danish citizens.

Furthermore, the reason why the danish government has adopted stron anti-immigrant legislation, is that we have done a piss-poor job of integrating those immigrants that we have, and the general feeling is that until we have sorted out those problems (ghettos, unemployment, etc.) these restrictions should not be lifted.

So no...I'm proud to say that I live in a country where race is no big issue.

Asmodean

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Patroklos


But according to Mr. Fun, because I believe blacks are different because they are more prone to sickle cell, I am now a racist

nah

Originally posted by Patroklos
And while liberal facists will recoil in automatic programed horror to this statement, of all the people that divide and perpetuate the black poplation (and all races) of America as something distict and different there is one who do it overwhelming more than the others, and conciously so. Blacks.

Yeah -- let's play "blame the victims" game!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Drachasor
If you want you can tack on "unproven" to the definition. I'm fine with that. Some people in this thread do have unproven or outright wrong beliefs about blacks.

Ultimately, the belief that environment is the only cause of racial differences is quite extreme. Environment and genetics both have an influence on groups and individuals. To recognise only one is "outright wrong". "we are all the same beneath the skin" is a nice-sounding fairy tale.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Ultimately, the belief that environment is the only cause of racial differences is quite extreme. Environment and genetics both have an influence on groups and individuals. To recognise only one is "outright wrong". "we are all the same beneath the skin" is a nice-sounding fairy tale.

Studies and research indicate that in terms of mental attitude and ability, differences are all environment between races.

-Drachasor

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Drachasor
You seem to quick to jump to conclusions without any evidence. That's a big problem.

That's exactly what you are doing when you only recognise the influence of environment and ignore that of genetics.

Genetic tests and other studies have shown human "racial groups" really aren't much different.

It's true, they aren't much different, and each group contains wide variation, but there certainly are some differences that are significant. Even putting aside the usual debate on intelligence, we see other significant differences between racial groups in areas such as sexual maturation. Blacks tend to sexually mature at younger ages, and East Asians mature at older ages. Whites are in the middle.