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This is not the first time this notion has crept up.
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That's because I stand with the 99% of Americans who don't use the KKK to get my version of American history.Originally posted by Caligastia
But I strongly disagree with people like Che who seem to think that all the blacks who were lynched were completely innocent of any wrongdoing.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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what, that people should be thankful for the rape and destruction of their people?
or that black people should stfu because they have it good here?
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in response to the first one, the OP of this thread is like saying, "Hey, she got an orgasm out of it, she should be thankful!" or "Hey, she was askin' for it!"
in response to the second one, the OP of this thread is like saying, "Hey, you're now going to be a permanent vegetable, aware of everything going around you but unable to act on it. And you've got fire ants your bed. But hey! It's not so bad, I just got a Lexus!"B♭3Comment
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Re: Re: "Next time get your facts straight" indeed
No, it's not fair to assume that half again of the number of reported lynchings happened without being recorded. You've just pulled from your posterior the assertion that unreported lynchings were common, without any basis for thinking that, haven't you? I'm surprised you're not trying to argue that a number in the mid-thousand really counts as "thousands" as well.Originally posted by Caligastia
It would only take 800 or so unreported white lynchings to bring the number up to 2000 which would qualify as thousands wouldn't it? Unreported lynchings were common, so I think it's fair to say that thousands of whites were lynched.
[Edit: and no, even if you do a quick google search for "unreported lynchings" and come up with a site that tells you that unreported lynchings were common in the West, that still doesn't justify adding several hundred to the figure. I win on the semantics here
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What a load of crap.Originally posted by Space05us
Also, it's not necessary for you to start name-calling just because my opinion differs from yours.
Hes name calling because you, an average white male, have no idea the hell that every black person endures everyday. While they sit there sipping on steamy hot cappacinos they have to put up with white people screaming heil hitler in thier face. For shame bfg, you should know better
ignorant Americans.
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It's so frustrating to argue in a thread that has been sucked into a universe of distortion, half-truths, and white-washing.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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So if I don't think that every black who was ever lynched was pure as the driven snow I must be consulting the KKK?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's because I stand with the 99% of Americans who don't use the KKK to get my version of American history.
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No -- you just have to own up to the fact, that the majority of blacks who were lynched were innocent of any crime.Originally posted by Caligastia
So if I don't think that every black who was ever lynched was pure as the driven snow I must be consulting the KKK?
You also have to own up to the fact that those blacks who were accused of a crime, were lynched without trial.
You also have to own up to the fact that those blacks who were lynched, and were proven to have committed a crime, suffered a grossly inhumane, horrible punishment that was out of proportion for the crime they committed.
That is what Che, myself, and others are saying.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Originally posted by Caligastia
I think it quite likely that Blacks were disproportionately the victims of lynching, and no doubt some of that was due to racism.
Oh, Cal. You had me at hello."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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Nothern estimates from that time believed that only 1/3 of black lynch victims were guilty of a crime.Accidently left my signature in this post.Comment
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Re: Re: Re: "Next time get your facts straight" indeed
My source is Lynching - History and Analysis by Dwight Murphey. I'm not assuming that unreported lynching were uncommon, it is a historical fact. And if you take into account the fact that Blacks were considered lesser humans by most in those times then its quite reasonable to say that the lynching of a white would have been less likely to have have been reported.Originally posted by Gibsie
No, it's not fair to assume that half again of the number of reported lynchings happened without being recorded. You've just pulled from your posterior the assertion that unreported lynchings were common, without any basis for thinking that, haven't you? I'm surprised you're not trying to argue that a number in the mid-thousand really counts as "thousands" as well.
[Edit: and no, even if you do a quick google search for "unreported lynchings" and come up with a site that tells you that unreported lynchings were common in the West, that still doesn't justify adding several hundred to the figure. I win on the semantics here ]
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Perhaps you should read through Che's comments again.Originally posted by MrFun
No -- you just have to own up to the fact, that the majority of blacks who were lynched were innocent of any crime.
You also have to own up to the fact that those blacks who were accused of a crime, were lynched without trial.
You also have to own up to the fact that those blacks who were lynched, and were proven to have committed a crime, suffered a grossly inhumane, horrible punishment that was out of proportion for the crime they committed.
That is what Che, myself, and others are saying....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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BS. Lynching was by no means random killing but punishment for specific crimes. Many participants knew the accused and could determine his guilt. Even opponents of lynching rarely argued that the victims were innocent - only that courts rather than mobs should enforce the law and that lynch mobs could commit unspeakable cruelties.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
AFAIK, none. Whites who got lynched in the South were generally killed for such evil crimes as . . . labor organizing, consorting with Blacks, being a Republican, being a carpet bagger or scallawag or butternut, etc. Out west, people were lynched for being rustlers, theives, murderers, or being mistaken for one of the above....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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Re: Re: Re: Re: "Next time get your facts straight" indeed
Ironically your source guesstimates the total number of lynchings to be 25,000, thereby making your original complaint that Laz had overstated the number of lynchings to be rather amusingOriginally posted by Caligastia
My source is Lynching - History and Analysis by Dwight Murphey. I'm not assuming that unreported lynching were uncommon, it is a historical fact. And if you take into account the fact that Blacks were considered lesser humans by most in those times then its quite reasonable to say that the lynching of a white would have been less likely to have have been reported.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Next time get your facts straight" indeed
Not really, unless you think 20,000 of those were blacks. Remember, Laz was referring only to Blacks being lynched.Originally posted by Gibsie
Ironically your source guesstimates the total number of lynchings to be 25,000, thereby making your original complaint that Laz had overstated the number of lynchings to be rather amusing
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