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It will be a draw ... and then a 'winner' will be decided much later.
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Grrr | Pieter Lootsma | Hamilton, NZ | grrr@orcon.net.nz
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I don't think that hurts him at all. I think people know what he was talking about. And its Oklahoma.
The scary thing is that, most likely that wasn't a misstatement at all, and the people of Oklahoma will know this. This is a man who has been calling for the death penalty for abortion doctors, been ragging on the Cherokee, warned of "rampant lesbianism" in OK schools where supposedly girls can only go into the bathroom one at a time, etc., etc. mind you. This is just one statement in a long history of bat**** crazy Coburn positions this campaign.
And Okies may be funny looking, but still generally aren't racists.
Zogby recently predicted a Bush victory, so I guess Ramo has to change his opinion now.
Well, I'd certainly put more credence in that prediction over Gallup's, if he acutally said that (and I don't think he has). But some of us have the capacity to be think independently of pollsters, even if you don't.
Zogby's tracking polls, like any other, rely on small samples, leading to large margins of error, and don't rely on pivotal factors (cell phones, GOTV, etc.); and in any case, the pro-Bush trends there, as in the rest of the tracking polls, have reversed.Last edited by Ramo; October 28, 2004, 07:07."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Bush will win, and hopefully the rest of the world will finally get it about the US.Only feebs vote.Comment
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The very nature of liberalism is to be optimistic and the very nature of conservatism is skepticism.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I'm surprised Bush isn't winning in a landslide. Conservatives are optimists and libs are pessimists.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensationComment
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My prediction now is that Kerry will win with over 300 Electoral Votes, carrying both Florida and Ohio.
The boost he should get from undecided voters and people that aren't counted properly in the polls should be enough to give him the victory in both of those states, imho.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I disagreeOriginally posted by Pax
The very nature of liberalism is to be optimistic and the very nature of conservatism is skepticism.Comment
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Bush will win, because opinions are so close to evenly split, and the US is a conservative nation. Not so much in that Conservative Presidents are the default, but in that the incumbent, provided he hasn't destroyed the nation utterly, will get a boost simply by being the incumbent.
I think it's horrible, and you give the benefit of the doubt to the one that hasn't had the chance to screw up yet, but that's what I think will happen.
But if Bush retains then next time around there'll be more Americans voting than ever before, and not because people are dead keen to keep him in.Comment
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I think the cell-phone demographic, and the large influx of new, younger voters will help Kerry to victory in the battleground states like Ohio and Pa. This is the end of conventional polling as we know it.
The era of fear, ignorance, and hatred will finally draw to a close..
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.Comment
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The only reason I predict a Bush win (unfortunately) is because fear will dictate this election. Americans falsely believe Bush can save them from terrorism. Bush is playing the fear card very nicely.
The fact is americans are a bunch of pussies. 9/11 scared the **** out of them.Comment
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The incumbant president basically never gets a boost beyond what the polling data indicates. At best Bush will get a 1% boost, at best.Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Bush will win, because opinions are so close to evenly split, and the US is a conservative nation. Not so much in that Conservative Presidents are the default, but in that the incumbent, provided he hasn't destroyed the nation utterly, will get a boost simply by being the incumbent.
Kerry will likely get a 2-4% boost however, which is enough to win a number of battleground States.
Based on how this sort of thing has played out in the past anyhow (and there is no reason to think it won't work the same way again).
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Joke in the paper this morning.
(since this thread needs a little more humor)
A survey reveals that 67 percent of fans are cheering for the Red Sox, Upon hearing this, John Kerry said, 'Hey, maybe I should switch and become a Red Sox fan. Oh wait, I already am.'
Joke quoted by Barry Rozner in this mornings Chicago Tribune.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Poll currently at Bush - 57 and Kerry - 57!!!!!!!!
Apolyton: The Bellweather of American Politics!Haven't been here for ages....Comment
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Interestingly, the Gallup poll has stopped indicating the percentage of Democrats and Republicans in the population of its polls.
This seems new to the last week or two.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Not necessarily
A tie could be like this. Note that this is what happens with current election polls, if we assume percentages remain as they are after the undecided are ignored and all exact ties go to KerryAttached Files"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
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