More people murdered in Chicago than all of Canada last year

[Ned]

Q Cubed, you are wrong on that score. They were ostracized because they were Catholics in a protestant land.

[Q Classic]

recent trends further underscore my point.

practicing catholics tend to identify as conservatives. they now back republicans because democrats don't support the same things they do.

and that last link supports my argument more than it does yours...

[MalevolentLight]

I didn't ask you why they traditionally backed Democrats, simply the fact that they did. Therefore your argument that Catholics are conservatives against the death penalty isn't valid.

[MalevolentLight]

Their turn towards Republicans has been very recent Q so you can't really make that argument since they were against the death penalty when they were democrats.

[Q Classic]

Q Cubed, you are wrong on that score. They were ostracized because they were Catholics in a protestant land.

i'm having a hard time finding examples of protestant irish, polish, or italians being welcomed period. or even existing.

and you're right, they were catholics in a protestant land: all of the us was, by and large, protestant.

you could say i'm wrong on that score, but really, when you look at it, it's just another way of interpreting the facts. you're pinning it on their faith, with their immigrant status and ethnicity being side factors; i'm pinning it on their immigrant status and their ethnicity, with their faith being side factors.

[Q Classic]

I didn't ask you why they traditionally backed Democrats, simply the fact that they did. Therefore your argument that Catholics are conservatives against the death penalty isn't valid.

it is valid. why? seeing as practicing catholics tend to follow the church's beliefs on matters of faith and morality.

the church does not change its beliefs on matters of faith and morality very often.

the church has maintained for years that capital punishment is just as morally questionable as abortion.

http://www.indianacc.org/tables/postn1.html

i fail to see how or why the position of the church would suddenly change because the church's political allies have changed.

[Ned]

Well, I happened to know of this personally when my father was ostracized by his protestant family when he turned Catholic and married my mother who was of 1/4th Irish and of 3/4th English descent. Trust me, race had nothing to do with it.

[Q Classic]

you still haven't proven your allegation that most catholics are liberals on social issues.

[Q Classic]

Well, I happened to know of this personally when my father was ostracized by his protestant family when he turned Catholic and married my mother who was of 1/4th Irish and of 3/4th English descent. Trust me, race had nothing to do with it.

sucks to be him. again, it's an anecdote, so you'll understand that i can't put that much stock into it, right?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ned
There is a correlation between liberal mayors and liberal judges who coddle the criminal element and crime rates -- at least in the US.

Oh pig's arse Ned - we all have a lower murder rate than you and guess what? We all have liberal judiciaries.

It's idiots like you that keep America living in fear.

Why don't you just go away somewhere and die. Or just shut up. Fool.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Oh pig's arse Ned - we all have a lower murder rate than you and guess what? We all have liberal judiciaries.

It's idiots like you that keep America living in fear.

Why don't you just go away somewhere and die. Or just shut up. Fool.

do you really know anything about america?

In case you haven't noticed, we have a different culture. A much, much more violent culture.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Dissident


do you really know anything about america?

In case you haven't noticed, we have a different culture. A much, much more violent culture.

no you don't. Australians basically think of Americans as pussies. Anyone can be big and tough with a handgun.

[Ned]

Horse's A, Americans don't live in fear from people who support law and order. Quite the contrary. They live in fear because of the breakdown in law and order.

[Alexander's Horse]

resulting from your idiotic lack of gun control

[Ned]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


no you don't. Australians basically think of Americans as pussies. Anyone can be big and tough with a handgun.

Nice. Why don't you come to America, go to the ghettoes of LA and, when they surround you and your life is on the line, see whether you would rather have a policeman with a gun or a billy club come to your rescue.