More people murdered in Chicago than all of Canada last year

[Iskandar Reza]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight


Anyone ever been to one of the thousands of sites that debunks bowling for columbine and every other Michael Moore movie? In bowling for columbine images are actually spliced together. Doesn't get much more dishonest than that.

Really? Links please, I gotta see. Always keep an open mind I say.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident


actually I don't think conservative economies create more poverty. Most people benefit greatyly from this. Including myself. But most poor are left out of the loop I admit. But you know what? I grew up poor, but now I'm not. It can be done.

Dissident, bravo for you. Many conservative minorities argue forcefully that individual responsibility is a way out of poverty open to everyone in our society.

[Q Classic]

it has? studies please. and explain to me why punishments in japan and skorea, which are often on par with those of the us, have lower crime rates? hell, what about europe? why do they have lower crime rates?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri

larger population, yes.

but even by per capita, it's more. and this is all crimes, mind you, not just murders and rapes.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_cap

by the way, catholics technically fight the death penalty and think criminals can be rehabilitated, yet many to most are firmly in the conservative camp.

and the link you gave still doesn't explain why the catholic belief that all life is sacred, therefore, death penalty is wrong is bad.
it also doesn't explain why catholics fight the death penalty, believe in rehabilitation, oppose abortion, and yet tend to be conservatives.

and you haven't yet proven your assertion that welfare prohibits car ownership.

[Q Classic]

Q, good for you. I was mugged three times when I was a freshman. I had friends who were knifed. We learned quickly not to venture out alone.

Perhaps times have changed since I was in school in the 60s. I actually saw the West side turned to ashes when MLK was killed.

i believe you in that times have changed. i just wanted to point out that the anecdote you gave really meant nothing. especially in light of the fact that chicago still hasn't really had a conservative mayor.

[Q Classic]

and the reason why chicago is the best city in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lager_Beer_Riot

[MalevolentLight]

Actually Catholics tend to be more liberal especially on social issues. So I don't really see any need to explain anything. And I already answered the car thing. I was going on what I had been told years ago and was true years ago. Recent welfare reform has changed the law.

[Ned]

Q, I am a "catholic," but I even I do not know where the opposition to the death penalty came from.

As to Catholics being conservative today, I think it has to do with the abortion issue more than anything else. Catholics voted overwhelmingly for Kennedy. I remember when I was in Catholic grade school at the time, I was one of the few "Republican" students in my school. In retrospect, I think Kennedy turned out to be a pretty good president despite his false start at the Bay of Pigs.

[Q Classic]

Actually Catholics tend to be more liberal especially on social issues. So I don't really see any need to explain anything.

they are, are they?

http://www.qev.com/reports.political.catholic.htm

http://www.qev.com/Final_rpt.pdf

i think you do.

And I already answered the car thing. I was going on what I had been told years ago and was true years ago. Recent welfare reform has changed the law.

it's easy to say that, but you really didn't answer anything. imran is now asking for proof that it ever was the case.

[Q Classic]

Q, I am a "catholic," but I even I do not know where the opposition to the death penalty came from.

the whole sacredness of life thing didn't appear to you ever? i'm lapsed catholic, but even i remember having the death penalty==bad thing being taught to me as a kid at my rich, urban, white, conservative, archbishop's seat, archdioceasan cathederal in atlanta, where the catholic church is still quite conservative...

[Imran Siddiqui]

So I don't really see any need to explain anything. And I already answered the car thing. I was going on what I had been told years ago and was true years ago. Recent welfare reform has changed the law.

I didn't ask for explination, I asked for proof.

[MalevolentLight]

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/plecnik/2004/plecnik081304.htm

http://www.mcjonline.com/news/01a/20010122b.shtml

Ok I can't find where cars were actually not allowed however I did find that in order to own a car it has to be basically a tin can with wheels so maybe that is why I was told that. I am only recalling stuff from back when I was in High School so I'll retract that one.

[Q Classic]

ml, i fail to see how that link somehow disproves my comment that most practicing catholics identify as conservatives, or prove your allegation that most catholics are liberals on social issues.

[MalevolentLight]

Well then maybe that other link will. THere are 91 Catholic Democrats in Congress compared to 59 Republicans. I'm not going to retract this one because this one has been talked about on the news before. Catholics have been historically Democratic backers and it hasn't been until recently that they've become more conservative partly because the Democratic party works against many of their beliefs.

[MalevolentLight]

How about this one too? http://www.godspy.com/reviews/Why-th...roken-Down.cfm Want more?

[Q Classic]

catholics have historically been democratic backers because they have traditionally been irish, polish, and italians.

why have irish, polish, and italians traditionally been supporters of democrats? because they were the whites nobody really wanted to consider as whites.