More people murdered in Chicago than all of Canada last year

[Q Classic]

no matter what the topic is, you can always rest assured: it will always be blamed on $_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_VIEWPOINT_1 by adherents of $_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_VIEWPOINT_2!!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Diss, I live in a pretty safe country, no terrorism, no super high crime with free education and equal opportunity for every young person. The girls are pretty and I can **** up as bad as possible and I don't have to be afraid of going to prison for it. I guess the price to pay for all this is not to be the greatest country in the world

Don't you want to immigrate to the US?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ned


Now THAT is a debate we ought to have, as the OPPOSITE is true.

actually I don't think conservative economies create more poverty. Most people benefit greatyly from this. Including myself. But most poor are left out of the loop I admit. But you know what? I grew up poor, but now I'm not. It can be done.

[Q Classic]

I actually used to live in Chicago, on the South side, when I went to school. I went to IIT. When it was warm, I kept my window open. There was not a night that I didn't hear the sound of gunfire echoing about the city. This gunfire obviously came from the numerous gangs that controlled the urban landscape, not from ordinary citizens shooting it out with their neighbors.

I live in Chicago now, on the South Side. I go to the University of Chicago, which, until recently, was one of the more dangerous areas in the city. Even now, when I walk back, drunk from the neighborhood pubs, I have not once been accosted, nor have I been mugged, nor have I ever heard gunfire or seen evidence of gang-related activity.

[Iskandar Reza]

Anybody watched "Bowling for Columbine"?

[MalevolentLight]

It has been proven that increased punishment for crimes results in a decrease in crime. Instituting the death penalty has been proven to lower the murder rate. And who fights the death penalty and thinks criminals should be "rehabillitated" rather than punished? Tough one.

Ned is absolutely right. Poverty is actually more in liberal areas because welfare basically creates ghetto's. It doesn't motivate people to go out and find a job and in fact you aren't even allowed to own a car on welfare. But welfare is a nice bargaining chip in elections. Just go into a slum and tell them Republicans are going to take away welfare and education. The economics of liberals is to take from people who work and give to those who don't. All this does is burden the workign population and create no desire for those without jobs to seek them. That's the way of the Democrat.

[MalevolentLight]

Anybody watched "Bowling for Columbine"?

Anyone ever been to one of the thousands of sites that debunks bowling for columbine and every other Michael Moore movie? In bowling for columbine images are actually spliced together. Doesn't get much more dishonest than that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

in fact you aren't even allowed to own a car on welfare.

I call Bull****.

Prove it.

[Q Classic]

It has been proven that increased punishment for crimes results in a decrease in crime. Instituting the death penalty has been proven to lower the murder rate. And who fights the death penalty and thinks criminals should be "rehabillitated" rather than punished? Tough one.

it has? studies please. and explain to me why punishments in japan and skorea, which are often on par with those of the us, have lower crime rates? hell, what about europe? why do they have lower crime rates?

by the way, catholics technically fight the death penalty and think criminals can be rehabilitated, yet many to most are firmly in the conservative camp.

Poverty is actually more in liberal areas because welfare basically creates ghetto's.

is it causality? or coincidence? liberal areas tend to be urban areas. urban areas tend to have more poverty.

in any case, you adorable conservative hack you, this is what i have to say to that:

no matter what the topic is, you can always rest assured: it will always be blamed on $_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_VIEWPOINT_1 by adherents of $_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_VIEWPOINT_2!!!

[MalevolentLight]

Ok on second look it looks like the changes on the car ownership were changed in welfare reform in 2000 (at least in pennsylvania). When I heard about the car thing it was a good 6-8 years ago. Now it seems they are allowed to own a car but the state determines the maximum value of the car allowed. The fact still remains however that Democrats have always fought welfare reform and used it as a political tool.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Do you have any proof about the car thing (ie, the fact they weren't allowed to have one 6-8 years ago)?

[MalevolentLight]

it has? studies please. and explain to me why punishments in japan and skorea, which are often on par with those of the us, have lower crime rates? hell, what about europe? why do they have lower crime rates?

by the way, catholics technically fight the death penalty and think criminals can be rehabilitated, yet many to most are firmly in the conservative camp.

Probably because we have a far larger population.

http://www.truebluenz.orcon.net.nz/newfile2.html#Deterrent

[Ned]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

I actually used to live in Chicago, on the South side, when I went to school. I went to IIT. When it was warm, I kept my window open. There was not a night that I didn't hear the sound of gunfire echoing about the city. This gunfire obviously came from the numerous gangs that controlled the urban landscape, not from ordinary citizens shooting it out with their neighbors.

I live in Chicago now, on the South Side. I go to the University of Chicago, which, until recently, was one of the more dangerous areas in the city. Even now, when I walk back, drunk from the neighborhood pubs, I have not once been accosted, nor have I been mugged, nor have I ever heard gunfire or seen evidence of gang-related activity.

Q, good for you. I was mugged three times when I was a freshman. I had friends who were knifed. We learned quickly not to venture out alone.

Perhaps times have changed since I was in school in the 60s. I actually saw the West side turned to ashes when MLK was killed.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Iskandar Reza
Anybody watched "Bowling for Columbine"?

I saw most of it the other night on the Independent film channel. I now know why Moore is what he is.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Probably because we have a far larger population.

How would that affect crime per 1000 people? Or are you making an argument based on the diversity of our citizens?