More people murdered in Chicago than all of Canada last year

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


It's more a rule of troll guild not to troll other trolls

I'm relatively new at this, forgive me.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I have the advantage of having been in both

God I was glad to get home.

Where did you visit AH? Did you get a chance to stop in Minnesota at all?

[DanS]

I thought you were alright, as Americans go...

I've never known an Aussie IRL that was a major *******, and you were no exception. Nice meeting you.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Geronimo


I wonder how Canada's murder rate compares to the states along it's border.

You do realize Michigan is a border state right??

Well if youwant to do and apples to apples comparison, you would have to segregate out the relatively large number of murders in the Canadan far north ( murder rate is by far the highest in the territories) from the "Canadian" total.

[Flubber]

Oh and I found this site http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/region.htm

While the graphs are not precise enough to get a truly accurate reading, thee are some detailed stats.

New England region consistently has the lowest murder rates in the US at around 2.4 per hundred thousand followed by West-north -central US at 3.2. All other regions are over 4 .

So the lowest region in the US is still significantly higher than the average for all of Canada. (The lowest regions in Canada can often approach zero)


The good news is that the US homicide rate appears to be down markedly. ten years ago it was routinely around 9 per hundred thousand while in the last 5 years it has stabilized around 5.5.

[Tingkai]

Toronto, pop 4 million, annual murders 90
Detroit, pop 950,000, annual murders 350

Enough said. Americans have a problem that they won't face up to.

[GePap]

No fair for choosing Detroit

[debeest]

Originally posted by Ned
There is a correlation between liberal mayors and liberal judges who coddle the criminal element and crime rates -- at least in the US.

There is a correlation between urbanity and liberalism, and there is a correlation between urbanity and crime. The correlation between liberalism and crime derives from that. It's not causal, as you suggest.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by GePap
No fair for choosing Detroit

Well look at the link I posted-- Even the US best region doesn't come close to the canadian average

[DanS]

Republican mayors in New York who get tough on criminals = a sharp reduction in murder rates. It's not a coincidence.

Liberals need to support taking back their streets from the criminals (few Republicans live in these cities with warzones) and to disavow the prevailing uncaring attitude toward people who get murdered just because they're in dangerous criminal enterprises or buy from dangerous criminal enterprises. For instance, it's not OK when drug users get offed by their dealers because they haven't paid. NYC seems to understand this fact, after electing pansy democrats to mayor for a couple of decades.

Added to this should be greater information sharing among jurisdictions (these enterprises are linked) and greater involvement by the FBI in taking down these enterprises.

[GePap]

Actually, as Flubber numbers show, Liberal taxachussets is safer and has less crime than Good Ol' Texas.

[DinoDoc]

It's all those Mexicans.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DanS
Republican mayors in New York who get tough on criminals = a sharp reduction in murder rates. It's not a coincidence.

Liberals need to support taking back their streets from the criminals (few Republicans live in these cities with warzones) and to disavow the prevailing uncaring attitude toward people who get murdered just because they're in dangerous criminal enterprises or buy from dangerous criminal enterprises. For instance, it's not OK when drug users get offed by their dealers because they haven't paid. NYC seems to understand this fact, after electing pansy democrats to mayor for a couple of decades.

Added to this should be greater information sharing among jurisdictions (these enterprises are linked) and greater involvement by the FBI in taking down these enterprises.

As a non-new yorker, what do you know?

The reduction on crime was base primarily on new police tactics, NOT changes to the criminal code or "being tougher on crime" at the courthouse level. That and broad socio-economic changes like the end of the crack epidemic. NY has never yet used its death penalty, and if anything there is broad agreement to end the harsh Rockefeller Drug laws, from the 70's, which are the most strict drug laws in the country (and did nothing to stop the crack epidemic)

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by DanS
Republican mayors in New York who get tough on criminals = a sharp reduction in murder rates. It's not a coincidence.

It's got nothing to do with Repub vs Democrat.

Death penalty, Republican Texas has a murder rate of 6/100,000 compared to Ontario with less than 2/100,000.

And the effects of a repub mayor in New York is not that significant. Murder rates declined in the 90s throughout the US, regardless of demo or repub politicians.

[DanS]

The reduction on crime was base primarily on new police tactics

Precisely. And who set the tone on that? Who supported the police to do what was necessary? Guiliani. A Republican mayor.

Death penalty, Republican Texas has a murder rate of 6/100,000 compared to Ontario with less than 2/100,000.

The problem is in our big cities. That's where you get these whacked out murder figures. Rural and suburban America are pretty safe places. Front line enforcement is handled at the local level. Who holds the mayoralities in the big cities of Texas? Dallas had a murder rate of 20 per 100,000 inhabitants. Democrat. Houston had a murder rate of 13 per 100,000 inhabitants. Democrat. Who is the mayor Detroit? Who holds the mayoralities of almost all big cities in the US? Democrats.

Just look at the city statistics of murder for 2001.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_01/xl/01tbl06.xls

In Washington, D.C. -- where I live now -- there were 40 murders per 100,000 inhabitants. There's a war zone right down the street from me. Run by democrats. In my home town in Ohio there were 0.00 murders per 100,000. Run by Republicans.