The War on Poverty: The American Way

[Kontiki]

Then what the hell do you believe?

[Arrian]

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I will not drop it. It's obvious. And I believe in defending myself, not just letting some prejudice person paint his own picture of me.

Actually , kid, YOU are the only person that regularly refers to anyone as "inferior"--


All I and many otehrs are saying is that if you live in an expensive place, one decision is to live in a less expensive place. I live on the edge of my city because my house cost less than similar ones in the core. I take a bus to work since the cost of parking is too high . I make choices based on the economic realities I face PERIOD.


Why should you or anyone else be any different. Are you saying you are incapable of earning more money?

personally I support the ideas of programs to support people who have physical or mental disabilities and better their standard of living. But for the able-bodied and able minded, suck it up and get a job. If you are going to school and can' t make ends meet, drop one course and work more-- It may take longer but you will get through.


Also again--- what is your definition of "poverty"??

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious




No. I said they don't always make more income over time. You said they did.

Most people, barring life changing setbacks, make more money over time. Even in McJobs, the burger flipers get raises--

There are exceptions but the increasing income situation is true for a majority

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious
So ****ing what Imran. You're no better than I and you spend way more time here than I. The time I spend here on Poly has nothing to do with my poverty.

He never said he was better than you-- and again how do you define poverty? Is it subjective or is it quantifiable?

Originally posted by Kidicious

How the **** does working another job solve the injustice of paying more rent anyway?

err-- you earn the money to pay it. prices rise . .. and in a hot real estate market, they can rise fast-- I believe for renters who have a year lease in Alberta though, rent increases can only be set at renewal (I would have to check but I think thats right). If you are month to month or won't commit to a longer term, you can be more at the mercy of the landlord

[Flubber]

Taking things aways from kid's situation, I do support government initiatives to provide low-cost housing. Often government can provide these places at rents that can recover bare costs for places with the basic amenities. the net result can be fewer homeless at very little government cost.


You will not eliminate "homelessness" though. Some people DO "choose" to be homeless in that they reject all attempts to help them. They drink or smoke any money they get and avoid any assistance programs outside of bare sustenance

[Japher]

Section 8 housing... it's everywhere, and it's a pretty good investment.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Then what the hell do you believe?

I just told you. And you know that. Obviously I think rent is too high. That's what the thread is about. If you're not interested in discussing that then you shouldn't be in this thread.

[Arrian]

[Arrian]

By the way, are ya'll alright out there?

PARKFIELD, Calif. - A strong earthquake struck Central California on Tuesday that was felt from San Francisco to the Los Angeles area. There were no immediate reports of injuries.

The quake, which struck at 10:15 a.m. PDT, had a preliminary magnitude of 6.0 and was centered 7 miles southeast of Parkfield, the town known as California's earthquake capital, according to the U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites). The area is 21 miles northeast of Paso Robles, scene of an earthquake that killed two people in December.

"I had stuff everywhere... lamps and pictures and stuff on the floor," said Willa Sell, 77, who lives on a ranch outside Parkfield. "I was happy when it was over. It was a real shaker."

A series of aftershocks quickly rattled the area, one with a preliminary 5.0 magnitude four minutes after the main earthquake and three others 4.1 or above.

A little more than an hour after the main earthquake, a spokesman for the state Office of Emergency Services said the office hadn't received any reports of injury or damage.

"The aftershocks are tracking toward the northwest, which is good, according to the scientists, because it appears it is not a precursor to something larger," said Eric Lamoureaux, an emergency services spokesman.

The quake was felt along a 350-mile stretch, as far north as San Francisco and as far south as Santa Ana, southeast of Los Angeles, the geological survey said. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department reported receiving several calls.

Parkfield, population 37, is located on the San Andreas fault and it has experienced six similar, magnitude 6.0 earthquakes with apparent regularity — one approximately every 22 years.

The USGS (news - web sites) even named its major long-term earthquake research project the Parkfield Experiment.

"This is earthquake country. It's a larger earthquake than what usually occurs, but it's not unprecedented," said USGS spokeswoman Stephanie Hanna. "We expect big earthquakes in this area, but don't know when they'll occur."

The Dec. 22, 2003, earthquake collapsed old downtown buildings in Paso Robles, pitching an 1892 clock tower building onto the street and crushing a row of parked cars. Two people were killed in the state's first fatal quake since the 6.7-magnitude temblor that hit the Northridge area of Los Angeles in 1994.

Since December, many residents of the area have taken precautions to protect their property and valuables from the next inevitable temblor.

"I respect them, let's put it that way," Mary Vanderwert, 57, said by telephone Tuesday from her Paso Robles home. She experienced Tuesday's quake as a series of ripples and vibrations. "It just tickled your feet and then all of a sudden it's jerking and then the whips started."

The USGS estimate of magnitude was strengthened from 5.8, or "moderate," to 6.0, the threshold for a "strong" earthquake. Preliminary magnitudes are determined by seismographs across the planet, and often change as scientists pinpoint where the epicenter is and interpret the data.

A magnitude 5 quake can cause considerable damage and a magnitude 6 quake severe damage, though problems are generally far less severe in remote areas and areas with strong building codes.

"We have good architecture and good building codes in California," Hanna said.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I just told you. And you know that. Obviously I think rent is too high. That's what the thread is about. If you're not interested in discussing that then you shouldn't be in this thread.

Well rents are not immune tothe laws of supply and demand-- Obviously there must be willing renters at the price they charge. There are hundreds of landlords, many of them are working folks that sink their life savings in an investment property . . . and thousands of renters-- its a free market. If your rent is too high, MOVE.

[Japher]

I felt nothing... but then there's a lot of construction going on here at work... just hope my house is still standing.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
By the way, are ya'll alright out there?

Strange. I didn't feel anything either. We are east of major faults though.

[Arrian]

Well, that's good then

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Hmmm. That's really strange because that is about 1 hour from here. I was at home, but definitely didn't feel anything.