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  • #76
    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


    The holocaust was not indiscriminate.

    You are the one who is belittling the horror. It was a systematic state policy. It was deliberate. It was directed. It was planned.

    Technology was invested to facilitate the killing, strategies shifted to speed up the killing through the use of gas. Barriers were erected between the deaths of the Jews to make sure that people did not see the horror on a daily basis.

    There are many parallels between the two.
    Abortion isn't systematic state policy.

    And life begins at birth, not conception.
    "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
    ^ The Poly equivalent of:
    "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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    • #77
      Abortion isn't systematic state policy.
      It is publicly funded up here in Canada. The US is slightly different, but there are certainly many people who do wish to see the US fund abortions.

      And life begins at birth, not conception.
      Why? What's so special about birth?
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      • #78
        Until then the child is not fully human. It doesn't even breathe until it leaves the womb. Conception begins the development of life; life begins when development is complete.

        What's so special about conception? Its just implanting egg with sperm.
        "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
        ^ The Poly equivalent of:
        "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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        • #79
          And life begins at birth, not conception.

          I am sorry, but that is bull****.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #80
            I love threads like these. I learn things about my fellow Poly people.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Azazel
              And life begins at birth, not conception.

              I am sorry, but that is bull****.
              Whatever man. Why is it bull****? Why does life have to begin at conception?
              "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
              ^ The Poly equivalent of:
              "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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              • #82
                Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


                Whatever man.
                Perhaps you'd care to go into a little more detail about the definition of life you seem to be using. Textbook authors the world over wait with baited breath.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #83
                  The ovum (egg) is supposedly "life" but is released every month. Why does life begin at conception and not with the creation of an egg?
                  "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                  ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                  "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                  • #84
                    Since you seem to have missed it. Here's the question I asked and would like answerd

                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    Perhaps you'd care to go into a little more detail about the definition of life you seem to be using. Textbook authors the world over wait with baited breath.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #85
                      I really hate it when people avoid such simple questions when they make such bull**** statement.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #86
                        Why is it bull****? Why does life have to begin at conception?
                        I never said it did. All I claim is that it's weird to claim that abortion is ok at any stage of the pregnancy, except risk of life, or stuff like that. I am for the morning-after pill. I am for abortion the first month or two of pregnancy, if a pregnancy occured despite the precautions, or if a severe developmental or genetic disability was shown. However, I do not think that a fetus' life is something that can be dismissed by a wave of a hand. Because if that is the case, it's ok to kill newborns, as well. There is no difference between ending the life of an 8-month fetus, or a newborn.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #87
                          That's not a question.

                          I don't believe a person is a person until born. How much more do I have to get in to? I believe in God, but I don't have to put why I believe in God on the table, nor do I have to say anything more than "why I believe in God". Its a personal thing. There's no proof God exists, but there's no proof God DOESN'T exist. There's no definite proof that life begins at conception, birth, or before. Therefore, I believe that life begins at birth, simply because the fetus isn't fully developed and capable until it is out of the womb, including the fact that it doesn't breathe on its own until it exits.
                          "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                          ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                          "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Azazel
                            There is no difference between ending the life of an 8-month fetus, or a newborn.
                            Except that I've drawn the line at birth, as some draw the line at conception, and some elsewhere. For me, that is where the difference is.
                            "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                            ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                            "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                              First of all, the pro-choice club, after we crushed them in debate has staunchly refused to engage our club in rational discussion on this issue.
                              Did you manage to present valid arguments in defense of your stance, or did you just conveniently forget to answer any of their questions like you usually do?

                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              I really hate it when people avoid such simple questions when they make such bull**** statement.
                              I'd think that there wouldn't be any debate on the subject if it were such a simple question, and/or that the Emperor's statement could have been crushed to smithereens by a counterargument rather than having it be painfully whittled away with the Socratic method.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                                That's not a question.
                                Of course it is. Here I'll even highlight it for you sense you seem to have trouble finding it: Perhaps you'd care to go into a little more detail about the definition of life you seem to be using.

                                I don't believe a person is a person until born.
                                I don't really care what you do or do not believe on that point as it is irrelevent to the statement you made and have thus far refused to clarify in any meaningful sense.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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