Free Speech on Campus

[Ben Kenobi]

So while I think you have a right BK to say and show what you want, but your methods are suspect. It is a disturbing trend, being obnoxious, which is primarly utilized by the left.

What other suggestions do you have for us to get the truth out?

I am willing to listen, and I have tried many other suggestions myself, but you must understand that we work under certain constraints.

First of all, the pro-choice club, after we crushed them in debate has staunchly refused to engage our club in rational discussion on this issue.

Less graphic protests, such as a crisis pregnancy table, have been routinely blocked and picketed. so that hardly anyone could walk up to the table.

[Ben Kenobi]

You made it personal by giving everyone a handy little potted history. Now apologise to the man or grow a spine.

Don't presume that what I have posted here is the extent of the discussion between myself and Jon, okay?

[Ben Kenobi]

Laz, I repeat myself:

So in almost every case, the comparison between abortion and the holocaust is valid.

I am willing to concede this small exception in exchange for full concession of the vast majority of abortions performed.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Aha! So you've apologised to him by PM, right?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Laz, I repeat myself:



I am willing to concede this small exception in exchange for full concession of the vast majority of abortions performed.

If you're going to compare it to the Holocaust, answer this question.

Tell. Me. The. Small. Exceptions. In. Which. It's. Medically. Justified. To. Gas. Jews.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes.

I don't see how this involves you in any way.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Yes.

I don't see how this involves you in any way.

Because you chose to put it on a public forum, Ben. It's not rocket science, is it? I saw no notice saying "Laz is not allowed to form an opinion and/or pass comment on this public declaration".

[Ben Kenobi]

If you're going to compare it to the Holocaust, answer this question.

I have already answered this question. Twice.

Try to keep up, eh?

Do you concede that in the vast majority of cases, that there is a valid analogy between abortion and the holocaust?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Tell. Me. When. It's. Medically. Justified. To. Gas. Jews.

[Ben Kenobi]

I saw no notice saying "Laz is not allowed to form an opinion and/or pass comment on this public declaration".

This issue has been resolved between Jon and myself.

If you wish to continue to dredge this up, I'm sure he will appreciate that.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


If you're going to compare it to the Holocaust, answer this question.

Tell. Me. The. Small. Exceptions. In. Which. It's. Medically. Justified. To. Gas. Jews.

It's not a medical reason, but considering all the people the Nazis killed, it seems quite probable that maybe a few of them had murdered someone at some point, making their execution justified.

But the rare exception did not justify the holocaust, and the rare exception does not justify abortion.

[Ben Kenobi]

But seriously and honestly, your Holocaust comparison is pathetic, Ben and outrage about it is more than understandable. Just ask yourself what the victims of the Holocaust had to suffer physically and psychologically in the Death Camps for years and then think what a foetus suffers during abortion.

So you do not believe that an unborn child feels any pain during an abortion?

Why then do abortion doctors choose to use anaestetics?

Now please, spare me the details, I accept whatever you say it suffers, but you'll understand that it's not comparable to above.

Why is it not comparable?

Nowhere in my or your society, I see massive propaganda all day long that unborn children are parasites that have to be whiped out collectively and the cause of all the bad in the world, as Nazi propaganda hammered in the heads of Germans every single day in the case of jews.

I have seen propaganda here that unborn children are parasites, and that they are merely blobs of tissue subject to the will of the mother and her doctor.

Plenty of propaganda, over here, and I'm sure over in Europe.

Open your eyes Wernazuma. They may not say that all unborn children ought to be killed, but they insist that the unborn child is not a person, and that only if the child is wanted, should her life be preserved.

They use terminology, such as fetus, blob of tissue, parasite, anything to make sure that people do not believe that the unborn child is a person. The same techniques were used against the Jews in the holocaust, to make it easier to kill them.

The Jews were stripped of their personhood, by the justice systems and the parliaments, just as the unborn children were stripped of theirs for the presumed benefit of the mothers who carry their children.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


It's not a medical reason, but considering all the people the Nazis killed, it seems quite probable that maybe a few of them had murdered someone at some point, making their execution justified.

The Holocaust was the indescriminate slaughter of helpless people without justice, not a criminal trial. Flawed comparison.

But the rare exception did not justify the holocaust, and the rare exception does not justify abortion.

Except for "Good abortions" like ectopics, right? Is that like the "Good Holocausts" you were alluding to?

[Ben Kenobi]

The Holocaust was the indescriminate slaughter of helpless people without justice, not a criminal trial. Flawed comparison.

The holocaust was not indiscriminate.

You are the one who is belittling the horror. It was a systematic state policy. It was deliberate. It was directed. It was planned.

Technology was invested to facilitate the killing, strategies shifted to speed up the killing through the use of gas. Barriers were erected between the deaths of the Jews to make sure that people did not see the horror on a daily basis.

There are many parallels between the two.

[Ben Kenobi]

Except for "Good abortions" like ectopics, right? Is that like the "Good Holocausts" you were alluding to?

No abortion is good.

None of the holocaust was good.

The only time abortion is justified, is as a desparate measure of last resort, where the mother will die unless the surgery is performed.

This situation is unique, and does not have a comparable analogy to the holocaust.

There are no justified deaths of Jews in the holocaust, no situations where the life of one cannot be preserved except through the death of another.

However, just because one part of the analogy does not work, does not render the rest of the analogy invalid.

Do you concede that in the vast majority of cases, the analogy between abortion and the holocaust is justified?

Answer the question Laz.