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  • #76
    Duh! Walt is a Socialist (big S), but we're also against the war.
    It might help to link to his website or something so that we can find out who you are talking about.
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    • #77
      And before everyone makes their 'patriotic' comments, I consider knowing the enemy extremely important, because you can't fight an enemy you don't know and get total victory. I support victory in Iraq and I support democratic Iraq and the effort the troops are making and their sacrifices. I just feel their sacrifices shouldn't disappear, if we fail to recognize the true situation there.

      As democracies, we can't make the mistake of labelling our enemies wrong. The terrorists we can label terrorist, but not everyone who picks up a gun and shoots are are terrorists. We must know their motivation. If that person picks up a gun because 'I defend Iraq against invador', that person is not a terrorists if he is not heavily affiliated with terrorists in this mission. If it has a political agenda, hey, that makes the the JFK killer terrorist. In our war, we were also called terrorists. Just with a different name, White Bandits. It had the same meaning however.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


        It might help to link to his website or something so that we can find out who you are talking about.
        Is it located on geocities? I'm not sure if they could afford a real domain...
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #79
          Giancarlo, true, but it's ALMOST as bad.. she's from SDP
          In da butt.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
            It might help to link to his website or something so that we can find out who you are talking about.
            Why, you can't vote here? Anyone who might be inclined to vote for Brown already is, and anyone who wouldn't vote for him wouldn't care.

            But to make you happy, http://votesocialist.org/
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            • #81
              Originally posted by chegitz guevara

              But to make you happy, http://votesocialist.org/
              ]

              Ewww.. now why would anybody vote socialist? How much of the vote do they get? .0002%? Oh wait.. maybe it was .000012%? I don't remember.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #82
                A little more than that.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  A little more than that.
                  Oh I'm so sorry.. it was .004%... my apologies..
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Pekka
                    ... I consider knowing the enemy extremely important, because you can't fight an enemy you don't know and get total victory. I support victory in Iraq and I support democratic Iraq and the effort the troops are making and their sacrifices. I just feel their sacrifices shouldn't disappear, if we fail to recognize the true situation there.
                    That's a pretty good summation of my view on the subject. I don't like how we got into the war (hindsight is 20/20), I don't like how it's been handled by the politicians and civilians in the Pentagon, and it scares the bejeezus out of me to see so many people buying the party line (be it GOP or Dem) w/o questioning it. All power, though, to the good women and men over there on the ground to get a grip on the situation and snuff the insurgents out once and for all.

                    They're doing things right. Their bosses are just along for the ride. Sounds like the corporate world, doesn't it?

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                    • #85
                      Do you try to be so obnoxious or does it just come naturally to you?
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                        Do you try to be so obnoxious or does it just come naturally to you?
                        I have it when I need it.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Whaleboy


                          Winston: Sorry but everytime I hear that regurgitated bull**** I have to laugh
                          You must crack yourself up constantly proofreading your own posts.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Lancer
                            A secular democracy in the heart of the arab world, the Iraqis living good and enjoying their freedom and rights,

                            That's a good one there Lancer. Things've been getting progressively worse for a while now and more and more Iraqi cities are being openly ruled by insurgents, some of whom are setting up more even nastier mini-governments than the old Baathist one.

                            American combat deaths over the Summer were 42 in June, 54 in July and 66 in August.
                            That's a very distressing trend. For the year after the invasion was completed deaths were at about one a day, and now that US forces are spending more time in bases and less time out patrolling and have completly withdrawn from a good number of cities, combat deaths are DOUBLE the old rate of 1ish/day and the trend seems to be going in the wrong direction.

                            the Islamic terrorist culture
                            Since when were the Baathists Islamists The invasion of Iraq has breathed a whole lot of new life into the Islamist movement across the Mid-East and Islamists have far more power in Iraq now than they've had for decades and their power is being consolidated day by day.

                            I do see Iraq getting better.
                            How so?

                            Terrible skin?
                            Well the problem with your skins is that we haven't been able to develop a unit of measurement that can accurately measure its thickness, those damn microns are just far far far too big.

                            Our troops did a damn good job. Now we fight terrorists in our new mission of building a free Iraq.
                            Yeah, they're great at destroying conventional armies, but the have virutally no training in nation building, police work etc. etc. and consequently are doing quite badly at that sort of thing.

                            I don't think the death rate will climb at all.
                            It already is. Its been getting higher every month all summer, and is about double what it was during the first year of occupation.

                            One the Iraqi Security Forces get totally online, these elements won't stand a chance.

                            American-trained Iraqis have usually refused to fight other Iraqis and have often defected. I don't see this changing in any major way. The same sort of "never used, only dropped once" stuff applies just as it did in Vietnam.
                            Stop Quoting Ben

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                            • #89
                              We call on all citizens of the world to fight the US military-industrial complex, as mandated by the Nuremburg principles, by conscience, and by a vision of a just and peaceful world
                              So to acheive peace, one must go to war?

                              That's not my principle, Che, and that falls to the same critique I have of the communists.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                                So to acheive peace, one must go to war?
                                "Fight" doesn't necessarily means war. I don't know for the particular American brand, but Socialists are generally pacifists - at least, they generally oppose international warfare (a good chunk of the Socialists want to apply "class warfare" litterally, but I don't know for the SPUSA)

                                One can "fight" the military-industrial complex by boycotting products, by using civilian disobediance, or simply by voting for someone who isn't a lapdog of theirs. And it is generally unwise to use weapons directly against them anyway, since they have the bigger guns.
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