Wow! Fez has been here for a few minutes and hasn't started a new thread!

[Ben Kenobi]

I thought you were catholic. I guess not.

Well, I'm not Catholic, I'm a Protestant.

But I'm curious as to why you believe that this is not what the Catholics teach as well.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


And that's why you are a national socialist

One of the central features of socialism is the belief that society can improve man over time.

I'm not socialist or a nationalist. Therefore I'm not a national socialist. Actually one of the central features of socialism is the belief that government can improve man over time, I'm for a small but effective central government.

Odin, no I didn't.

[GePap]

The Catholic Church teaches men can gain salvation through good works.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's laughable at best. It isn't a challenge. It is my sexual orientation.

It is a challenge.

It is part of who I am, like heterosexuality is part of your own life.

I don't think that my preferences are essentially part of me. For if our deeds and inclinations could not be separated from who we are, then we cannot be saved, we cannot be cleansed from sin.

I want to live my life, and don't want to live in misery because of the wants of radical christians as yourself. I want to have a boyfriend, not a girlfriend and I don't want to live in isolation.

Well, I try not to live my own life, and this is something that I struggle with. I want independence, even though this desire has brought me many troubles in the past, when I really should be asking and getting help.

I don't think that it is necessary to have a partner in order to be happy, one can be happy without one. I agree with you that I would rather have a girlfriend at this time, but that seems not to be in the cards.

That's one of the things about Christianity, is that you are never in isolation. You always have and know that there is someone who loves you and cares for you, even when no one else does.

[Al B. Sure!]

Fascism has little to do with individual "perfection". As a system, fascism is about the primacy of national identity, and of an ongoing and eternal competition between nations which necessitates a militaristic outlook together with a reverence for the national identity in order to have total unity of the Nation as it strives to win in the zero sum game of world politics.

that doesn't quite describe Spanish, Portugal, Lithuanian, Roumanian, Dominican, or Bulgarian fascism...

[Ben Kenobi]

1811

From the Catechism of the Catholic church:

It is not easy for man, wounded by sin, to maintain moral balance. Christ's gift of salvation offers us the grace necessary to persevere in the pursuit of the virtues. Everyone should always ask for this grace of light and strength, frequent the sacraments, cooperate with the Holy Spirit, and follow his calls to love what is good and shun evil.

So one is saved by the grace of Jesus, and not by his own works apart from Christ.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Albert Speer


that doesn't quite describe Spanish, Lithuanian, Roumanian, Dominican, or Bulgarian fascism...

That is becuase of all political systems, Fascism is the least developed and most contradictory.

In fact, I would question really how many true fascist regimes there have been, becuase in essence a true fascist regime is revolutionary as well as reactionary. I don;t think Franco was much of a fascist, much more a reactionary. He got rid of most of the real fascist true-believers by sending those troublemakers to be cannon-fodder in the eastern front.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So one is saved by the grace of Jesus, and not by his own works apart from Christ.

Doing good deeds demostrates your worthyness of hat grace.

Come on man, this is one of the basic distinctions between Catholics and Protestants (for example, why catholics do confession and protestants don't).

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


It is a challenge.

No it isn't. It is who I am. Challenge? Not at all.

I don't think that my preferences are essentially part of me. For if our deeds and inclinations could not be separated from who we are, then we cannot be saved, we cannot be cleansed from sin.

Another reason why I'm not christian. I want to live honestly and I want to have a love in my life. Christianity cannot get in my way. Furthermore, that's why I'm not christian.

I don't think that it is necessary to have a partner in order to be happy, one can be happy without one. I agree with you that I would rather have a girlfriend at this time, but that seems not to be in the cards.

I want to have a boyfriend and I would be happier with one. That's is how it is. I don't know about you but I would feel better with someone special rather then alone and miserable. I know some people who are good living on their own, but I'm not one of those people. I want to have that someone special.

That's one of the things about Christianity, is that you are never in isolation. You always have and know that there is someone who loves you and cares for you, even when no one else does.

I don't even believe in god. I want to find somebody I can hold in my arms, not some made up god. So basically, you do not convince me even one bit.

[Az]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
At least spell right..

Fez is a spelling nazi!

[Kuciwalker]

just saw that

[Ben Kenobi]

Doing good deeds demostrates your worthyness of hat grace.

For if man were to be gaged on his actions, apart from Christ, than none could be saved, for all have sinned and fallen short.

Come on man, this is one of the basic distinctions between Catholics and Protestants (for example, why catholics do confession and protestants don't).

Protestants confess their sins to God. Catholics have a sacrament through their mediator, the priests.

The differences in confession have more to do with the sacramental aspect of Catholicism rather than salvation.

[Giancarlo]

This is why I'm atheist. So I can live honestly and truthfully.

[Al B. Sure!]

That is becuase of all political systems, Fascism is the least developed and most contradictory.

that is because it was the only political system to not have decades of philosophical and intellectual incubation before being implemented. Compared to socialism which had several decades of nascent debate, fascism was more of a practical and localized idealogy. Only Heidegger and a few lesser known Italians and French, most of whom had only converted to fascism well enter their careers, argued the fascist cause.

[joncha]

Originally posted by Azazel


Fez is a spelling nazi!

I'm not sure he cares so much about the spelling part, though...