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    If you don't like reality, change it! me
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    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


      And I believe in God, so wouldn't the honest thing to do would be to confess to him?
      No it is not honest as there is no god.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • Leaving aside the reality of God for now.

        I believe in God, therefore, would it not be honest for me to confess my sins to him?
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        • No because you are confessing to a false figure. Shall I confess to a plastic toy because I think it controls the world?
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • Shall I confess to a plastic toy because I think it controls the world?
            No, because that would be idolatry. The plastic toy is the work of men's hands, and cannot save as the living God can.

            If you are not willing to leave aside the reality of God, then we can debate that.

            But here I thought you wanted all religious bigotry out of the thread.
            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
            "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


              No, because that would be idolatry. The plastic toy is the work of men's hands, and cannot save as the living God can.

              If you are not willing to leave aside the reality of God, then we can debate that.

              But here I thought you wanted all religious bigotry out of the thread.
              Well god is a figment of the human imagination so it isn't any different.

              Anyways, I don't really care... do what you want.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • Well god is a figment of the human imagination so it isn't any different.
                If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?
                Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                  If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?
                  How should I know?
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?


                    Have you ever heard of S&M?
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • Have you ever heard of S&M?
                      So Christians get pleasure from pain?

                      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                      "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                      2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                        If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?
                        Since when do you envision leaders as "soft and cuddly"? Would you like a "soft and cuddly" leader?
                        If you don't like reality, change it! me
                        "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                        "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                        "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                        • So Christians get pleasure from pain?

                          Well, I was saying that in jest, but human subconscious psychological needs aren't just cuddling and love. Plus, it does have that all "reality" thing to tackle. How much can you say that God is loveable, plushy, and pink, when your mom died, and your dad is high and pimps you out for smack (using a hyperbole here).

                          It's false to analyze religion on a personal level without always keeping in mind the societal context.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • It's false to analyze religion on a personal level without always keeping in mind the societal context.
                            Who said I'm looking at just myself?

                            It's something that many have complained, that God seems too distant, and that they do want someone, as I put it, softer and more cuddlier.

                            Since when do you envision leaders as "soft and cuddly"? Would you like a "soft and cuddly" leader?
                            If the leader is one you are to be held accountable to, I think we all would desire someone more tolerant and lenient.
                            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                            "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                            • Plus, it does have that all "reality" thing to tackle. How much can you say that God is loveable, plushy, and pink, when your mom died, and your dad is high and pimps you out for smack
                              And that is just what I am trying to say. God is not all loveable or cuddly. People want a God that is more loveable and cuddly, for the reasons that you have stated here.

                              They see injustice, and cruelty, and all kinds of suffering in the world, and they wonder how God can be merciful if he permits such suffering to occur.

                              What we forget is that our time here on earth is so short. The bad will not last forever.
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                              2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                                If the leader is one you are to be held accountable to, I think we all would desire someone more tolerant and lenient.
                                I would assume you see most "pagan" gods as figments of men's imagination- how many of them were "cute and cuddly"?

                                Man creates in his own image.
                                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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