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  • Poly ate my reply from James 2:16-24

    If one is Protestant, and believes that Scripture is the primary authority, than how do you work with this?

    Faith and Deeds

    What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that–and shudder.

    You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.


    Martin Luther considered James to be an epistle of straw, because he believed, and he changed Romans, so that it read that man is saved by grace through faith alone, or sola Fidae.

    Now, it is true that many Protestants in the past have emulated Luther, but the fact remains that this is a distortion of the bible. Sola Fidae is not scriptural, rather what is scriptural is the section of the Catholic catechism that I cited you.

    Man is saved by the grace of the God through faith in Jesus Christ, so that Christ, in his mercy, grants us the ability to perservere in the virtues.

    Faith and works, for faith without works is dead, whereas works without faith are useless.
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    • Ben, no thanks. This thread was supposed to be of light mood, I don't want your religious indoctrination.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • So I can live honestly and truthfully.
        Why should confession of sins be less than honest?
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        "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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        • Originally posted by joncha


          I'm not sure he cares so much about the spelling part, though...
          Nah, he's not really a nazi. ( I am getting kinda tired of people trolling him... )
          urgh.NSFW

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          • Yes, let's stick to issues that make Fezcarlo happy. Like National Socialism.
            ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


              Why should confession of sins be less than honest?
              I think it is dishonest.

              I don't confess to any god, as I don't believe in god. Why did you have to come to this thread and fill it with this religious indoctrination? I'm gay, and you are just going to have to accept that. That simple.

              Joncha, I'm not national socialist.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • Ben, no thanks. This thread was supposed to be of light mood, I don't want your religious indoctrination.
                I'm replying to Gepap's question, not to you.

                And you are not the owner of this thread, so
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                • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                  I'm replying to Gepapa's question, not to you.

                  And you are not the owner of this thread, so
                  Yeah but this thread was directed at me. But seriously we don't need this religious intolerance in this thread or forum for that matter.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • Why did you have to come to this thread and fill it with this religious indoctrination?
                    You asked me a question, so I tried to answer as best as I could.

                    I'm gay, and you are just going to have to accept that. That simple.
                    Fair enough. I'm not here to try to make you change your mind, but rather, to answer the question you posed.
                    Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                    "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                    2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                      You asked me a question, so I tried to answer as best as I could.



                      Fair enough. I'm not here to try to make you change your mind, but rather, to answer the question you posed.
                      What question did I ask? I thought you were responding to Gepap. I never asked anything of any christian because I don't care for what they say.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • But seriously we don't need this religious intolerance in this thread or forum for that matter.
                        Then refrain from trolls like this:

                        originally posted by Gian:

                        Isn't christianity fascist like because it wants to get rid of gay people as myself?
                        Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                        "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                        • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                          Then refrain from trolls like this:
                          It was a rhetorical question.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • I don't confess to any god, as I don't believe in god.
                            And I believe in God, so wouldn't the honest thing to do would be to confess to him?
                            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                            "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                            • It was a rhetorical question.
                              Maybe to you it is, but to me, it's a troll, that I can't let stand, because it's false.
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                              • The troll-bots have been locked into an infinite loop! There's no stopping them now!!!1
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