Did Hugo Chavez really rock the righties?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Venezuelans love Chavez? That explains why Chavez must show his love in the form of gunning down civilians.

Your Argentinian mind is obviously unable to spot the difference between the object and subject of a verb.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Useless response. Foul ball.

You are spamming this forum beyond belief.

[KrazyHorse]

You criminal!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Your Argentinian mind is obviously unable to spot the difference between the object and subject of a verb.

There is nothing wrong with the statement I made. And don't be an ass because my english is quite decent.

[joncha]

Watch it, KH, he's firing up the helicopter as we speak...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


That must be why he has to have armed guards by the polling booths, eh? And why he needs to have international observation of his elections.

Let me speak very slowly: he has armed guards by the polling booths to prevent violence at the place of polling. If there had been as much violence leading up to an election in Canada as there was in Venezuela then there would be armed guards outside our polling stations too. In fact, I have no doubt that there will be armed guards at the polling booths for the US elections this fall. Need I remind you that the opposition tried to circumvent the democratic process very recently by staging a coup against a democratically elected leader? They are thugs, and will continue to be. Chavez has a clear mandate from his population. As for the international observers, they were there to forestall accusations of fraud from the o sore losers in the opposition. But I guess Chavez is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't? No international observers means that he was covering something up. International observers mean that people think he's a fraud, so he must be covering something up.

of the sort willing to uprise in order to depose Chavez

The coup was strictly a coup, not a widespread revolt. Ten guys getting together and deciding that Chavez has to go hardly constitutes a mass movement.

If they did, Chavez would not have to try to weasal out an election

No elected official wants to face a referendum against them. Chavez went through with it and won a clear victory. Deal with it. Venezuelans like him (at least 60% of them do)

And BTW, do you think their referendum question is clearer than the one in Quebec? Someone who is loved by his people doesn't need to try to con them.

What is the point here? Is there a claim that the referendum question was unclear? If so, please be specific.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


There is nothing wrong with the statement I made. And don't be an ass because my english is quite decent.

I never said anything about how Chavez feels about Venezuelans.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is there a claim that the referendum question was unclear? If so, please be specific.

Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. The question was unclear.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It is very wordy, that is true and littered with useless phrases (like the mandate thing).

[Ben Kenobi]

Let me speak very slowly: he has armed guards by the polling booths to prevent violence at the place of polling. If there had been as much violence leading up to an election in Canada as there was in Venezuela then there would be armed guards outside our polling stations too.

In fact, I have no doubt that there will be armed guards at the polling booths for the US elections this fall.

Now, are you willing to say that the American people love Dubya, if they need armed guards at the polling booths?

That's my point. To say that a leader is loved by his people does not mean that he is loved by those who support him, but that those who disagree with him, also hold him in high esteem.

This is the general standard to say that one is loved by one's peoples, all of them and not just some of them. Chavez may be loved by some Venezuelans, but he is not loved by the people of Venezuela, as these 'right elite' are still people, just as much as those who supported Chavez.

[Ben Kenobi]

The coup was strictly a coup, not a widespread revolt. Ten guys getting together and deciding that Chavez has to go hardly constitutes a mass movement.

So the coup was just ten people? If so, why does he dignify such a group with the term coup, and use the incident to tar all his foes?

[joncha]

umm... because "coup" is the correct term for such an action?

[Ben Kenobi]

So if Bush had ten people call for his resignation, and attempt to charge the Whitehouse, that would be a coup?

I doubt that would merit any mention beyond, 'disturbance' as in a disturbance at the White house.

A coup must have a serious chance of seizing power.

[joncha]

They removed Chavez by force and named a replacement. How much more serious need it be??

[Ben Kenobi]

Just ten people?

Something's not adding up here.

KH says that it was just ten people.