Did Hugo Chavez really rock the righties?

[joncha]

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So the coup was just ten people? If so, why does he dignify such a group with the term coup, and use the incident to tar all his foes?

Ten people with guns, my disingenuous friend.

[KrazyHorse]

That's why it was a coup and not a revolt or revolution.

[KrazyHorse]

I wish I could say I feel good having pwn3d Ben and Fez, but it's a hollow achievement.

[Giancarlo]

It isn't good to claim credit where it isn't deserved. You didn't do anything of the sort.

[Urban Ranger]

This article is a must read for Ben and Fezzie.

[Ned]

I have no reason to doubt Chavez's win -- except that Jimmy Carter says there was no fraud and further because Chavez will not conduct even random audits to test whether there was something wrong with the voting machines.

[Giancarlo]

Counterpunch? That's garbage when it comes to credibility. Totally uncorrobated.

My first post in this thread was that if they want to keep Chavez fine. They are idiots for that. They are signing their own doom. If their nation ends up in a civil war in a few years, they'll look back at their errors.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Given the leftist bias of the Globe and Mail, that they would report any intimidation by Chavez is remarkable, and ought to be cited as evidence in favour.

The Globe is leftist? That's like saying Fox News is a bastion for communists.

[joncha]

And Ned arrives at the thread as well. Chavez sure brings them out of the woodwork!

[Giancarlo]

Joncha, do you support that idiot Chavez?

[joncha]

Yes. He is far better than the alternative on offer in Venezuela, and miles above that idiot Uribe in Columbia.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by joncha
Yes. He is far better than the alternative on offer in Venezuela, and miles above that idiot Uribe in Columbia.

You're such ignorant one. The opposition to Chavez is corrupt, but Chavez is super-corrupt. He single handedly collapsed the economy in a record amount of time. Alvaro Uribe did this:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/international/9539460.htm

You really should look at the facts. Uribe is a very intelligent man who helped his people in ways you commies couldn't even do if you tried.

"The $90 billion economy expanded by 4.25 percent from the year-earlier period after growing by a revised 4 percent in the first quarter, a government report showed.

Colombia has expanded at a pace of at least 4 percent for four straight quarters, the longest such streak since the government began releasing quarterly figures in 1995."

This is called a boom.

[Urban Ranger]

BK,

More information for you.

As the August 15 referendum on whether Hugo Chavez should continue as president looms in Venezuela, anti-Chavez pollsters have begun reluctantly issuing polls showing Chavez in the lead. In June, the Washington-D.C. based polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research Inc.--working on behalf of the opposition--conducted a poll showing that 49 percent of Venezuela's registered voters would support President Chavez versus 44 percent that would vote to recall him. Another June poll by the Venezuelan firm DATOS--also commissioned by the opposition--gave Chavez 51 percent of support, against 39 percent who would vote against him.

Recently Chavez challenged other Venezuelan polling firms aligned to the opposition to release the results of their latest polls. Venezuelan Information Minister Jesse Chacon has claimed to have copies of these polls--which favor Chavez--and has threatened to publish them if the polling firms do not come forward.

link

So it appears the alleged discrepancies between polls and the referendum result weren't there.

[Agathon]

Now Agathon says that the exit polls were banned, but to me that just adds to the pile of suspicion against Chavez.

Publication of exit polls was banned while the polls were still open, for obvious reasons. Even then, one managed to get published in the UK's Independent which said that Chavez was losing by a million votes. Drake Tungsten linked to it in the referendum thread.

Of course, that turned out to be false. The opposition had been publishing polls up until the referendum which claimed similar support. Western journalists on the ground in Venezuela were predicting a Chavez win nonetheless, and they were right.

In the case of Florida there is ample evidence that Bush lost, the simple expedient of actually counting the votes proves it. Add to that the widely reported electoral roll fraud and there is a good case.

But in Chavez case there is no evidence, apart from a couple of opinion pieces by people who could well be members of, or sympathetic to, the opposition.

Suck it up, you lost.