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Anyway, call us when you find a reputable source.
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Why the hell are you praising Chavez, chegitz? The man murders, is responsible for single handedly collapsing an economy, and screwed up a nation.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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No, but we don't know that the Venezuelan polls asked the question.If I only polled Texas oilmen about whether they believed Bush or Kerry was going to win, do you think I'd get a poll that was in anyway accurate?
Che, the Globe and Mail is not a reputable source?
Heck, it's not like it's a right wing paper.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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That's not a link to these polls you're lauding, it's an article in a newspaper, which presents some opinions and assumptions as facts- notice no actual evidence of intimidation, either at the polling stations, or in the conduct of the referendum, simply a presumption.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'd think by now Venezuelans are fairly familiar with the sight of soldiers on the streets.
And yet again, you're presenting allegations and assumptions as facts.
I hope you're not this unduly credulous in the rest of your affairs, otherwise, you may find yourself thinking you own a bridge in Brooklyn.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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June 16 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan opposition groups said voters in a referendum on recalling President Hugo Chavez, slated for Aug. 15, may be confused by the wording of the question elections officials selected.
The National Electoral Council approved late yesterday the following question, to which voters in the referendum can only answer yes or no: ``Do you agree with rendering ineffective the people's mandate given through legitimate democratic elections to the citizen Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias as president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela for the current presidential period?''
That might explain everything!
I didn't get a chance to see the real referendum question, but that's a great tactic!
It almost worked for our 'sovereignty association too.
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I don't even think the original elections that brought Chavez to power were legitimate.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Given the leftist bias of the Globe and Mail, that they would report any intimidation by Chavez is remarkable, and ought to be cited as evidence in favour.notice no actual evidence of intimidation, either at the polling stations, or in the conduct of the referendum, simply a presumption.
And here's the cite for the previous article.
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The Globe and Mail is liberal, not leftist. That makes a world of difference when dealing with issues other than American electoral politics. They are just as uneasy with Chavez as the righties are.~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Anyway, call us when you find a reputable source.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Given the leftist bias of the Globe and Mail, that they would report any intimidation by Chavez is remarkable, and ought to be cited as evidence in favour.
And here's the cite for the previous article.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...=latin_america
They didn't cite any intimidation. They said:
'Thousands of citizens who had signed the petition that triggered the referendum lost jobs, pensions or suffered harassment.'
Alas none of these 'thousands' are presented to give their views on this alleged intimidation or harassment, and we are somehow meant to conclude a link between the referendum (and presumably not voting 'for' Chavez) and the loss of their jobs and pensions.
The harassment isn't gone into in any detail, nor is it linked with Chavez, or his supporters with any evidence, we're just meant to intuit that, apparently.
'Many feared that their choice would be known to the government, and the ubiquitous presence of machine-gun-toting soldiers inside and outside the polling stations reinforced this concern.'
Gosh, I see police outside polling stations in Great Britain from time to time- should I be worried?
Your name is crossed off a list when you turn up to vote and you're given a slip to vote on- perhaps they're keeping tabs that way too!
So far just more flummery.
Now you can say the Globe and Mial is leftist, and frankly given your politics I'll take that with a metric ton of Maldon sea salt, thanks.
However, it's on the comment page of the Globe and Mail, and the comment is by:
KEN FRANKEL and JOHN GRAHAM.
They aren't Globe and Mial journalists, are they?
In fact they're O.A.S. observers, and this is how they're otherwise employed:
'Ken Frankel, a partner at Hodgson Russ LLP and a board member of the Canadian Foundation for the Americas (FOCAL), and John Graham, former Canadian ambassador to Venezuela and chair of FOCAL' .
FOCAL is described as an independent policy making group (which tells us nothing about its politics) and Hodgson Russ LLP is one of Canada's oldest law firms- again, telling us nothing about the firm's politics, or thsoe of John Graham or Ken Frankel.
So, a few more of Obi Gyn's assumptions and assertions unveiled.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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The liberal assaults on democracy and praise for Chavez is not surprising.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Re: Did Hugo Chavez really rock the righties?
They were banned. Why does this add to suspicion? Exit polls are illegal in Canada during federal elections. This is a silly post.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Now Agathon says that the exit polls were banned, but to me that just adds to the pile of suspicion against Chavez.
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Re: Re: Did Hugo Chavez really rock the righties?
Canada isn't a legitimate democracy... I knew it!Originally posted by KrazyHorse
They were banned. Why does this add to suspicion? Exit polls are illegal in Canada during federal elections. This is a silly post.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Hah hah.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Chavez won and you guys are sore losers.
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Because Chavez won 60-40 and Bush didn't even come close to that...Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well then why haven't the Democrats came to accept the victory of Bush?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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