How do I get... yes, UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Two reasons why I disagree. One, your family tends to be much more controling.

Just have to give this a considering the source and what he would have the state mandate for us.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
Sure and when you live in a commuity of 500 people, its pretty easy to get a rejection letter from everyone in town.

Then obviously there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Why are you saying there are?

I guess I questioned the desire of that 11%. When I was willing to take almost any job, my job search never took beyond a week. .. That was the experience of most of my friends as well.

The "retention" rate on the unemployment rolls was incredible as there were people that would be on there year after year after year. It became institutionalized. The funniest example was when a full time year round job came up in a very small community that had something like a 70% unemployment rate. They had ZERO applications.

There could be all kinds of reasons why they recieved no applications. The idea that no one in that town want's to work is incredible. In fact, it's incredible that there were no applications filed. Both of us should know, as people who have been in the job market, that there are plenty of people looking for work. Only in cases where the unemployment rate is very low and the wage also very low will employers have trouble finding employees. The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


Just have to give this a considering the source and what he would have the state mandate for us.

Knock that crap off already! Your acting juvenile.

[Kidlicious]

The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs
For some reason the last part is not showing up in one of my posts.

[Kidlicious]

I can't fix that I guess.

How about this. There are less jobs than employees.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Right to Work is code for Employed at will, meaning you have no defense against being terminated with or without cause without notice, though if you quit without notice you'll get blacklisted. In the civilized world, companies must show valid cause to get rid of an employee.

Actually, the truly civilized world recognizes the right of association, even in the workplace, and that the job belongs to he who created it, not he who is hired to fill it.

I've seen the requirement for valid cause in action, and it can be an ugly, ugly thing to behold.

[Ben Kenobi]

I was just pointing out that it's true that individualism can and sometimes (or maybe the majority of times) precludes support from the family.

True, but I'm sure your dad would say that families should assist each other if the need arises.

I wonder, since my dad went to law school at a public university (UVA) would you count that as support from the state?

No, but you raise an interesting question, given the fact that his tuition will not cover the costs of his education.

Loans I think would be different.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Then obviously there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Why are you saying there are?

.

My experience came in two kinds of places. One was tiny communities where there were not enough jobs. There would be two major employers

1. a fish plant that would be open a few weeks
2. Government make work

Unemployment rates in those places was usually above 50% but the system made it economic for people to stay in the small communities.


The second type was in the larger Canadian towns. Those were the places where I never found a problem getting a job. Got it now ?

QUOTE] Originally posted by Kidicious
EDIT --kids whole quote did not appear properly-- must have somethign to do with that greater than sign



There could be all kinds of reasons why they recieved no applications. The idea that no one in that town want's to work is incredible. In fact, it's incredible that there were no applications filed. Both of us should know, as people who have been in the job market, that there are plenty of people looking for work. Only in cases where the unemployment rate is very low and the wage also very low will employers have trouble finding employees. The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs


ME--

This was in a tiny community where the entire work force was probably something like 100 people. The reality was that people were comfortable with the system . They knew that a combination of the fishery and make work would get them all qualified for unemployment insurance . My brother-in-law was a teacher there and he spoke to a few people asking why they didn't apply. The reasons for the men were usually something about not wanting to spoil their hunting plans or their snowmobile excursion. The women had reasons basically relating to not wanting to upset a very settled lifestyle ( have time to cook supper every day, interfere with planned trip, Grandma coming to visit)

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Knock that crap off already! Your acting juvenile.

How so?? I just find it funny that he who advocates state control is so negative on possible controlling influences of a "family"-- Wouldn't this collective make better decisions than an individual?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Solomwi


Actually, the truly civilized world recognizes the right of association, even in the workplace, and that the job belongs to he who created it, not he who is hired to fill it.

I've seen the requirement for valid cause in action, and it can be an ugly, ugly thing to behold.

Here you always can fire someone (exception for union environments), its just that you might have to give them some pay in lieu of notice. If you have cause, you owe them nothing.

IN a union environmnet it can almost become impossible to get rid of a bad employee . When I worked retail I saw some stark examples of this. JUst awful employees who had seniority and worked the rules.

[Dinner]

In California you must not be enrolled in school and you must be available and willing to work a full 40 hours per week. If you anwser no to any of the above then they tell you to f*ck off!

[chequita guevara]

****, at least in Florida you can go to school while on unemployment.

Hey, Flubber. What the hell did all those people do with all their freetime?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
How so?? I just find it funny that he who advocates state control is so negative on possible controlling influences of a "family"-- Wouldn't this collective make better decisions than an individual?

You have continually misrepresented me on this issue, and several people have complained. You seem to be taking a page out of Hitlers theory on propaganda.

And I could say that I find it funny that someone who advocates individualism is so high on family control over the individual.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
True, but I'm sure your dad would say that families should assist each other if the need arises.

He may support someone else, but he wouldn't necessarily accept support from someone else. As I said, individualism can very well preclude family support.

[Ben Kenobi]

He may support someone else, but he wouldn't necessarily accept support from someone else.

That's different from someone who says that there should be no familial or state support. Quite different.