How do I get... yes, UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION?

[Ben Kenobi]

I agree there are good jobs out there if you are willing to hunt for them.

But you also need to consider that some people cannot do some jobs. In my own case, i cannot do any job that involves phones, because I could not hear the phones. This takes out a substantial chunk of options for me.

Another thing, the unemployment rate for people with similar disabilities to my own is staggeringly high, much higher than for the general population. I have been fortunate, but there are many others who have not been.

I even offered to step aside from my current job, just so one of the other people could step in. Easier for me, than for him to find work.

[chequita guevara]

Right to Work is code for Employed at will, meaning you have no defense against being terminated with or without cause without notice, though if you quit without notice you'll get blacklisted. In the civilized world, companies must show valid cause to get rid of an employee.

[pchang]

I don't know all the details of this, but the dodge you describe does in fact happen.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I agree there are good jobs out there if you are willing to hunt for them.

But you also need to consider that some people cannot do some jobs. In my own case, i cannot do any job that involves phones, because I could not hear the phones. This takes out a substantial chunk of options for me.

Another thing, the unemployment rate for people with similar disabilities to my own is staggeringly high, much higher than for the general population. I have been fortunate, but there are many others who have not been.

I even offered to step aside from my current job, just so one of the other people could step in. Easier for me, than for him to find work.

BK-- I have always felt that social supports for people with disability should be enhanced. Thats a separate issue to me than the general unemployment rules.

But there are all kinds of construction/manufacturing environments where the worksite is always so loud anyway that a hearing disability should be little problem or easily accomodated. My law class had a successful blind student so I have a lot of hope for what a motivated person CAN achieve, even with a major disability.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Right to Work is code for Employed at will, meaning you have no defense against being terminated with or without cause without notice, though if you quit without notice you'll get blacklisted. In the civilized world, companies must show valid cause to get rid of an employee.

Thats awful. Employment at will is the exception rather than the rule up here and notice either to the employer or employee as the case may be is subject to statutory minimums. For indefinite employment , I think the minimum notice is too weeks.

No notice is required for a for cause termination obviously but the standard to show cause is generally seen as pretty high.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
I grew up in Newfoundland Canada where the unemployment rate is 20% or more in many communities and unemployment benefits were a anticipated and expected part of people's incomes. people would work the required 10 or 14 weeks (in fact , many people wouldn't work them but the fraud issue is a separate rant) and then go on benefits. people would face social pressure not to work beyond the benefits qualification period as that might deny another person the rights to qualify.

So don't even pretend that all people have the feeling that work is noble. If you create a system there will be some . .. . note some that abuse it.

The result was hundreds of people staying in small rural communities where there was no economic reason to be since the unemployment system subsidized it. heck, the provincial government was even a participant in the scam since they would provide short term make work projects whose sole purpose was to qualify people for Uniemployment insurance. Why? UI is paid by the feds in Canada while the province picks up the tab for welfare.

Don't they make you look for a job when you recieve benefits?

Its interesting though that in TOUGH job markets, people who want "a job" seem to find them. I grew up in Newfoundland, Canada and the lowest unemployment rate in any community I lived was somewhere around 11%. But guess what, we always found jobs. Now working until 5 a.m. at a pizzeria on a Friday night was not my idea of fun but people should be willing to take those types of jobs. Its funny how the unemployed crowd never seemed able to find anything

No you ALL didn't. That is at least 11% didn't find a job.

[Ben Kenobi]

Indeed. I've found construction to be a very good option for many hearing impaired folks.

But what about the women? I don't see any women on the worksite.

My law class had a successful blind student so I have a lot of hope for what a motivated person CAN achieve, even with a major disability.

Well, given that I'm almost done my undergrad, I think I fall into that category. Nothing is wrong with our head, just with the communication.

I'm rather lucky in that I can speak very well, but I know many who can only communicate through sign language.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What do you mean?

For most those are the options, state support versus filial support.

Seems to me, there are very few individualists that will insist that the family should not play a role in supporting their members.

My dad refused to let his father support him at all through college and law school.

[pchang]

Boss: Ben, you're fired.
Ben: What? Oh, thanks. See you tomorrow.
Boss: I said you're fired.
Ben: Yes. Well I think you're doing a good job too.

[Kidlicious]

I don't think people should have to or want to depend on their families at all. To me that's individualistic, but not to some of you I think.

[Ben Kenobi]

My dad refused to let his father support him at all through college and law school.

And I feel the same way, yet I believe family should support each other rather than the state.

[Ben Kenobi]

Boss: Ben, you're fired.
Ben: What? Oh, thanks. See you tomorrow.
Boss: I said you're fired.
Ben: Yes. Well I think you're doing a good job too.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Don't they make you look for a job when you recieve benefits?

Sure and when you live in a community of 500 people, its pretty easy to get a rejection letter from everyone in town.

Originally posted by Kidicious



No you ALL didn't. That is at least 11% didn't find a job.

I guess I questioned the desire of that 11%. When I was willing to take almost any job, my job search never took beyond a week. .. That was the experience of most of my friends as well.

The "retention" rate on the unemployment rolls was incredible as there were people that would be on there year after year after year. It became institutionalized. The funniest example was when a full time year round job came up in a very small community that had something like a 70% unemployment rate. They had ZERO applications.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And I feel the same way, yet I believe family should support each other rather than the state.

I was just pointing out that it's true that individualism can and sometimes (or maybe the majority of times) precludes support from the family.

I wonder, since my dad went to law school at a public university (UVA) would you count that as support from the state?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And I feel the same way, yet I believe family should support each other rather than the state.

Two reasons why I disagree. One, your family tends to be much more controling. Two, some people can't depend on their family.