Ahh, Women...

[Japher]

Yeah, MRT, my wife does that, and when I ask her that question she just says "because I don't want to"



I've lost 3 phones.

[Pekka]

You should have used the pre-emptive strike. 'Yeah you're right! If someone would have told me that a cell phone can make you look fat, I would have laughed at their faces... but it actually is possible, you do look a lot more fat with it! How do you even do that? But you know.. you should carry your own cell phone, think it as an extra weight while your'e walking, lose all that fat faster..'

Or if that doesn't work, just keep misplacing the cellphone.

[MRT144]

i actually really just want a guys attitude with a vagina

[Pekka]

So get a transvestite.. they have those surgeries you know.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Japher
Yeah, MRT, my wife does that, and when I ask her that question she just says "because I don't want to"



I've lost 3 phones.

which brings up a great survival tactic. purposeful incompetence. if you constantly **** up, a woman wont ask you to do it.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Pekka
So get a transvestite.. they have those surgeries you know.

my penis still knows the difference.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah women are just stupid

Great attitude. That's why you are having problems.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Tiamat
So how is it he can hear through two closed doors about Jenna but can't hear me 2 feet away asking for him to take out the trash

That's quite possible.

My mother has hearing problems, so usually we need to bellow to her in front of her face. However, sometimes she can pick up things we whisper to each other. It's not all that simple.

Unless she's spoofing us too

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Pekka
Natalinasmpf,

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I'm sorry for your husband
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I am not sure Natalinasmpf is a woman. I am still waiting for evidence.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Snowflake
That's when you use the dish washer boy. How long will it take you to put all the stuff into the dish washer? If you want her to cook, then you have to accept the way she cooks. If you don't want the way she cooks, then you can cook yourself. Do you want her to cook the same way as you do? If yes, ask pekka to give you a slap. If you don't, oh well, live with it.

Cook himself? Who's going to eat that?

Seriously, I am not sure I agree with that. Just because you (or some other woman) cooks that way doesn't mean there's no room for improvement.

A person's character is distinctly different from the way she do things.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka

No you can't give up and try to disregard my whole big theory. That's rude. I spent a lot of time trying to put it into words, partially failing, but at the last explanation I think I came pretty good with what I was trying to say. English is my second language so it's not always easy to put things on writing, when you have to explain something and have difficult things like definitions, facts, complexity by two different definitons, facts, non-facts etc. You have to come through! Either accept my theory, or kill it with facts. Surrender or keep on fighting.

Alright alright, poor pekka. I'll keep on the fight for you, since you really can't live with me saying "I don't want to fight with you" like what you said to that girl. See how tolerate women can be, compared to men sometimes?

Ok let's look at your last argument.

When we talk about women being complex, it doesn't necessarily equal the word complex. Complex is still based on facts, while we talk about women being complex, it doesn't necessarly mean they have issues that are based on facts, and they're just complex. That's the emotional thing. Women are more emotional. Complex. So far so good? You've tried to refute this argument, and you really have to come up with huge assasination argument to kill this.

I agree with you. Women do not have issues that are based on facts. They are just more emotional. Or in your word, more complex.

There are two different complexes. The factual complex, and the woman complexity.

Now, a woman that is in touch with her emotions as people claim, if she is, then it shows in her action. It manifests in her actions, because she is touch with her emoitons and feelings. Now, if a woman acts irrationally, we say it's the emotions. But since it's woman complex, and not factual complex, there is no excuse for the behaviour.

Here's where you make your jump. You say that when women act "irrationally", because she has emotions. And then you say since it is "emotional complex", instead of "factual complex", there is no excuse for it.

Who said only "factual complex" are allowed and "emotional complex" are not allowed? You have not proved it. You only restated "men's belief" about facts and the fact that women are emotional and sometimes behaves emotionally. It has long been well established, and you have not proved anything further than that.

If you disagree and say, well it's not the same thing, the mental complexity and actions, then well how do you explain the actions then? Even less excuses, plus then you are saying women are not so in touch with their emotions. Either way, this is why I say it's BS on action.

No I do not disagree that women's behavior is affacted by their emotions. And yes you are right to look for answers to their actions from their mental state. And by this you have so far not proved a bit why it is "BS on action".

I hope this last bit is much more clearer for you. English is also my second language. And I agree that communication is very hard when one can not use his/her first language. However, I think the misunderstanding in this thread largely arise from something else, not the language itself. The real issue at hand, after we peel off all the complexity , is that men (or pekka) believe in facts, and they (or you) do not believe that emotion deserves its place, and essentially they (or you) believe that emotion is BS, so any action that is influenced by it is "BS in action".

Well what I would like to say to you, is that this is wrong. Emotion is an important part of human being. Men are raised and trained to conceal their emotions, and try to be as unemotional and logical as he can be. While women have not received that restriction and are freer to express it. However different social environments that men and women face decide they have different attitude toward life and matters, and to the extent that they cannot understand each other. This is a fact. And this is not anybody's fault. It is not because either side have "BS in action". Begin without understanding is a fact. To understand each other is the desired goal. And what we do, how we treat this issue, is in the middle. If we learn to read each other, we can make this process more smoothly. If we simply announce the other is BS and denounce them, then we will never reach the desired end.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by MRT144
yeah, obviously my opinion of women and relationships is scewwed by her. It really makes me believe that i can not be compatible with any women if they are like this.

How about starting a relationship with this question then: "Do you think carrying a purse will make you look fat?"

I can assure you there are plenty of women who carries a purse. You know you wouldn't be the first to worry if all women are like what you described. The companies who make women purses would jump in long before you said anything.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Japher
Yeah, MRT, my wife does that, and when I ask her that question she just says "because I don't want to"



I've lost 3 phones.

I used to offer to hold the car keys when we went out together. I lost the keys twice. And he didn't let me do it any more. I mean is it my fault that I keep losing things? It's not like I do it deliberately, unlike some other men.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by MRT144


which brings up a great survival tactic. purposeful incompetence. if you constantly **** up, a woman wont ask you to do it.

Have it occured to you that some women may have already mastered that tactic? Next time when you think she is "stupid" and "incompetent", think a little bit more ...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Snowflake
When you learn to read women, you'll find the logic behind it. When she asked "Why do you never fight with me?" She was wondering if you really care for her. Not about how she looks or how she was in bed.

That's not logic. That's a strange language with no logic at all. I don't like it when a woman isn't forthright with her feelings.

Originally posted by Snowflake
But actually what she thinks and what she beliefs. You told her you don't agree with her but you are not going to fight her. To her that means you really don't care what she thinks.

As I said, it has no logic at all.

When people fight, it is very likely they are going to say things that hurt each other's feelings.

It's not like you are talking about a calm, deliberate philosophical discourse here.