Modern Chinese-Japanese Relations: Is there any hope?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
By "early stages of the revolution", are you referring to the Cultural Revolution?

There were very little civilian casualties comitted by the Communists in China in the Chinese Revolution / Civil War. Eight points of attention, three points of discipline: won the hearts and minds of the people.

Did it win the hearts and minds of the dead?

Incidently, I misread a part of your post. Do you mean to say that the Communist government did not cause the deaths of millions of Chinese, directly?

[Tingkai]

Our society?

You can say all you want about China, but you have no idea what they went through, whether it be during the civil war, the KMT years, the Japanese invasion or the Mao years.

But if you had any sense, you would try to understand their anger rather than just condemning it from your nice safe home in Canada. Have you ever seen your family murdered by invaders. Have you ever seen your government arrest and kill your family?

I suspect the answer is no, and yet you have the arrogence to preach about how these people should behave and what they should feel.

I think that hating the Japanese for what happened 50 years ago is pointless, but I also understand why some, and I stress some, Chinese still hold a grudge.

[notyoueither]

Wah, wah, wah. Why am I not surpised that you are defending bigotry against people who were not even born when the incidents took place?

[Tingkai]

I knew it wouldn't take long for you to show your predictable prejudice against Eastern Canadians.

You're big on talking about how others should forgive and forget, but how many times have we heard you *****ing about the NEP and Easterners.

Clean up your own house before you start preaching to others.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai
But if you had any sense, you would try to understand their anger rather than just condemning it from your nice safe home in Canada. Have you ever seen your family murdered by invaders. Have you ever seen your government arrest and kill your family?

I understand Jewish anger. I understand French anger. I understand Russian anger. I understand Chinese anger. I understand Philipino anger.

What I do not understand, nor condone, is national or racist bigotry aimed at people who had nothing to do with the offences.

I don't understand hatred for hatred's sake at all. You are correct.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai
I knew it wouldn't take long for you to show your predictable prejudice against Eastern Canadians.

You're big on talking about how others should forgive and forget, but how many times have we heard you *****ing about the NEP and Easterners.

Clean up your own house before you start preaching to others.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I don't understand hatred for hatred's sake at all. You are correct.

A good start would to be to understand your own prejudices.

[notyoueither]

Pot, meet kettle.

[Tingkai]

Enough of your lies. If you are going to make an accusation, you better be able to provide proof which you know that you can't.

[notyoueither]

haha!

[Natalinasmpf]

Did it win the hearts and minds of the dead?

No, but there were several revolutionS.

Not dead Nationalists. They deserve to die, serving the evil Chiang Kai-Shek. As for the civilians, before 1950, yes. There was mass support for the CCP then.

If you refer to latter revolutions; that's different. Completely different from what the eight points of attention and three points of discipline were about..

Do you mean to say that the Communist government did not cause the deaths of millions of Chinese, directly?

Except for the military Nationalist enemy, the original Chinese Civil War (the modern one), the CCP did not cause mass civilian deaths.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Seems to me that it is referred to as the East Sea and the Sea of Japan.

I think it is understandable that Koreans prefer a more neutral term.

Edit: Encarta Dictionary refers to it as Sea of Japan and East Sea.

Would you be equally happy if we Swedes started to refer to the Baltic Sea as the "East Sea"?

(I'm not sure on more neutral, BTW. Both Koreans and Japanese might be expected to recognize it's next to Japan, but the Japanese might be unconvinced it's in the east.)

[Q Classic]

Would you be equally happy if we Swedes started to refer to the Baltic Sea as the "East Sea"?

(I'm not sure on more neutral, BTW. Both Koreans and Japanese might be expected to recognize it's next to Japan, but the Japanese might be unconvinced it's in the east.)

the germans already call something else the east sea. i don't see what the hubbub is. what's wrong with having multiple east seas? if you're in that part of the world and refer to an east sea, odds are you're talking about that part of the world, not somewhere else...

it's like mentioning how there's a state school in athens when you're in ohio. people will think athens, ohio, not athens, georgia, or athens, greece.

[Last Conformist]

The Germans call the Baltic die Ostsee "the East Sea" in German. In English, they call it "the Baltic Sea".

(The Swedish name of the Baltic, Östersjön, also means "East Sea". But as you see, when communicating in English, I use the English name. I don't feel I'm being particularly unfair in asking the Koreans to do the same.)

[Snotty]

What do the French call the English channel?