Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Modern Chinese-Japanese Relations: Is there any hope?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Modern Chinese-Japanese Relations: Is there any hope?

    I can't really speak for how the Japanese feel about the Chinese, and I hope that posters such as Drake could offer more insights in this aspect. However, I can relay what I witnessed during my stay in China last year. To put it simply: troubling.

    Chinese people's hatred of Japan varies from person to person, but the one thing that is constant is that they all do. Some hate Japan so much as to boycott all Japanese products. Others just don't care, but will state I hate Japan just to fit in. The latter is the real problem. Hatred in Japan is not only expected, but condoned and fueled by the government. Newspapers constantly put out anti-japanese articles, usually taking umbrage at innocuous Japan actions in order to incite rage. Textbooks clearly show China as a noble benefactor to Japan which was betrayed by Japanese treachery and jealousy. The Japanese are protrayed as primitive animals who owe all their accomplishments to China. The only other place in the world that I can think of where such hatred is so universal, permitted, and perversed is the Middle East.

    Over the last year, I was quite surprised over the amount of violent incidents against Japanese peoplethat were brought to my attention. Some would come up to me to boast how the Japanese were treated. Others would vent their anger at some misconstrued Japanese offense. The government, which is known for covering up what it considers embarrassing behavior, made no such effort in regards to anti-Japanese demonstrations or violence. Nor was there any condemnation of it.

    To learn whether a Chinese person hates Japan or not does not require much effort. In fact, many will reveal it with no prodding at all. In my early classes, I would ask students to tell me a certain number of things about themselves. I was shocked to hear how many chose "I hate Japan" as an answer to their identity. In my writing class, I had a student who would write papers on why she hated Japan, when the subject of the paper had nothing to do with Japan at all (one subject, was "Tell me about your school"). Some of my good Chinese friends were showing me their digital camera, when they blurted out that they won't buy Japanese products (I didn't mention how much better my Olympus camera was to theirs . ).

    At the same time, many Chinese do enjoy the benefits that Japan has brought to them, especially Japanese technology and popular culture. A student declaring that he hates Japan one day will be reading manga then next. Some Chinese will acknowledge superior Japanese products such as cars and digital technology but will add "I hate the people, not the product."

    Up to now, I've painted a rather dire picture of Chinese relations toward Japan. In fact, I am somewhat reluctant to mention the following in fear of diminishing the extent and possible danger of such hatred. However, in order to present a fair representation of my observations, I need to discuss the other side of the issue.

    One major point to consider is that the Chinese do have a reason to fall back upon when questioned about their feelings toward Japan. Japan's atrocities during WWII were terrible and disturbing. Such cruelty is difficult to forget and should be expected to make a mark on a nation's consciousness. Yet, not long after the Japanese occupation, the Chinese were committing similar atrocities on eachother with the permission of their government. Now, while many Chinese people realize what they did was wrong, there has never been an apology by the Chinese government for what happened. In fact, there have been huge cover ups, it has been glossed over in textbooks, and the leaders involved are still seen as honorable men (at least in the eyes of the ruling party). These are all complaints that the Chinese have made against the Japanese. I did discuss this with one of my students, who gave me an interesting answer, "Family forgives family." However, this answer fails to address the hypocrisy in a culture that encourages aversion to blame and never apologizing while demanding another culture to do the opposite. If Chinese wants its ways respected (even if they are contrary or even considered despicable to others' ways), then it should in turn show some respect and understanding of others' cultures as well. By doing this, China could take the first step in easing relations and creating a more peaceful Asia. As noted above, there is no indication that China will take this action.

    A second major point to consider in the nature of Sino-Japan relations has been mentioned somewhat above. The majority of Chinese do not actively hate Japan. Most instances of violence or protest are start by those who do and who encourage the more passive haters to follow, usually in order to fit in. Most Chinese wouldn't take offense at what the Japanese do, unless someone points out how it is hurting them. For others, saying that they hate Japanese is just part of the world they live in. They don't think much about what the words mean. They don't really have any emotions toward the Japanese. They just follow along in order to avoid conflict with their kinsmen or just because it doesn't hurt not to.

    From my exerience most Chinese fall into the "I really don't care" category. A few, which during my time in China actually caught me off guard, do embrace the Japanese as friends and don't worry about the past, but instead the future. But they still represented the minority in my experience.

    For me in China, this has created some frustration. I like both China and Japan. Often I was placed in the middle of the conflict while in China. Usually, the attitude was if you didn't hate Japan then you must hate China. Unfortunately, my attempts make some Chinese people think further about the reasons and consquences of anti-Japanese feelings fell on deaf or even hostile ears.

    So from China's side, what must be done in order to improve relations? As mentioned earlier, China both the people and government need to make more effort in understanding both Japan and themselves and how their cultures relate to one another. Even if Japan offers the apologies that China demands, I doubt that it will change China's feelings. Anti-Japanese sentiment has become so ingrained in China's culture that many will be reluctant to let it go. As demonstrated, the Chinese government is as much responsible, if not more, as Japan for this problem by encouraging it for so long. China needs to realize that in order for relations to improve, it must be willing to play a role other than the victim. China must be willing to show that it truly desires a peaceful coexistence with Japan.

    I would like to hear the opinions and experiences of others concerning this. I'd especially like to hear the Japanese side. The only Japanese person I really know who even mentions China loves it. She's there now furthering her studies in the language for the summer.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    I have met a chinese girl once who claimed manga originated in china.

    Comment


    • #3
      the bible says otherwise:

      B♭3

      Comment


      • #4
        Maybe they should direct that hate at the commie party. It has screwed them over worse than the Japanese ever have?
        CSPA

        Comment


        • #5
          As long as the Japanese government denies these actions, and as long as the Chinese government fuels the hate, there is no hope.
          Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
          Long live teh paranoia smiley!

          Comment


          • #6
            Governmental action can be extremely important in such circumstances.

            Believe it or not, France had a very, very deep hatred for Germany after WW2 (it was only the third war we had against them in 70 years). Any government could have fanned the flames in order to get immediate political gain. Most previous governments didn't hasitate btw, especially when the fledgling Republic was busy consolidating in the late 19th century.

            However, a course of action has been taken since WW2 not to incite hatred. Moreover, since the 60's, there has been an active policy of reconciliation, with massive cultural exchanges between the two people. As a person who started learning German at 8, and first went to Germany at 10, I am part of this new generation.

            Prejudices still do exist, and many people can still believe they hate the Germans. However, it is not really ordinary, now that many Frenchmen and many Germans have learned to know each other.
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

            Comment


            • #7
              As long as the Chinese are brainwashed in their schools to hate Japan, there is no hope. Here is my expose on Chinese-Japanese relations which was shut down by UR.

              http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

              Comment


              • #8
                Well if you look at the trade deals between the two countries, yes.

                Japan runs a trade deficit with them, which is nothing short of amazing considering that this is Japan, they Recognized China as China before we did, and voted to let them into the WTO before we did.

                "Japan's traditional pattern has always been to link with the reigning or coming superpower. For Americans to imagine that a past history of bad blood represents an impossible impediment to a Japan-China alliance is to miss the point. Both China and Japan are pragmatic nations that live more in the future than in the past, and it is not necessary for them to engage in a love-in for them to work well together. "

                Comment


                • #9
                  From article provided by Q Cubed
                  Following the European superpower’s destruction of the king of the south, the Bible explains that in fear of a growing Asian conglomerate, the European military will strike out at this Eastern force (Daniel 11:44). At this time, the 200-million-man Asian army (Revelation 9:16) will react and sweep west to meet its foe in battle. It will quickly inflict devastating losses on the European army.
                  That's a great idea! Excuse me while I fire-up Superpower I...
                  The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                  The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    silly mainlanders (listen to jpop)

                    In taiwan, a sizable population wish they were Japanese (or at least the hopeless otakus anyway) and there isn't general hatred toward them.

                    I'm sure hatred would fade into history if the government would let it drop. But than again, we all need our hatred right. For anglo saxons, not hating the french is probably the worst one can do.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      do Jews hate Germany? It is such a long time ago. Most of these "kids" probably don't even understand ww2. Judging by what you said about their papers, they don't seem to have a full grasp of the situation. They simply are this way because of peer pressure and/or the school are propogating this hatred.

                      perhaps if they had freedom of speech and press, and didn't have a communist goverment...

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I think this is mostly due to the government having trouble finding a unifying factor among its people -- religion, language, and ideology are inoperable -- so at times it plays the nationalism card pretty heavily. The easiest country on which to focus Chinese nationalism is Japan because of the atrocities. It could get pretty ugly when China goes through an economic/political crisis. The government may try to keep power through nationalism.

                        On the other hand, the Koreans seem just as bad as China, and Poles seem to hold it against Germany more than other Europeans, so I don't know how to weight the atrocities.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dissident
                          do Jews hate Germany? It is such a long time ago. Most of these "kids" probably don't even understand ww2. Judging by what you said about their papers, they don't seem to have a full grasp of the situation. They simply are this way because of peer pressure and/or the school are propogating this hatred.

                          perhaps if they had freedom of speech and press, and didn't have a communist goverment...
                          Germany has gone out it's way to apologize and try to atone for what it did. Japan likes to play the denial game.
                          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MORON
                            In taiwan, a sizable population wish they were Japanese (or at least the hopeless otakus anyway) and there isn't general hatred toward them.
                            Headed by ex-president Lee Tung-Fai, who said that he's not Chinese but Japanese. He also said that Japan should control Taiwan.

                            Nice man, that.
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gangerolf
                              Maybe they should direct that hate at the commie party. It has screwed them over worse than the Japanese ever have?
                              Really? That's an interesting bit of unknown history.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X