When will moderate Republicans revolt against the neocons?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
CBH, your sig assumes the addition of more than 5 billion Moslems to the world population, which, given that the world population is expected to peak at nine billion, isn't going to happen, unless you assume for some reason that billions of people are going to convert to Islam. I don't see that happening.

It is happen slowly now but will pick up speed in the future. The person who wrote the book the 100 most influential people in history put Muhammad in the number one place for his and Islam influent on world history.

[chequita guevara]

You simply aren't going to add that many Moslems in 95.5 years. The person who wrote the book is indulging in wishful thinking without any sense of the actual demographics involved.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Eh? What's the objection to the last?

If the government wants to promote art, buy paintings and sculptures instead of throwing grant money to artists who take that money and then can also sell their works to make more money, leading to questions of why the original grant was needed in the first place.

Secondly, should the government be promoting more art? Why?

[Gatekeeper]

Pragmatists? Why then are they 'republican'?

What, there's no room for moderates/pragmatists in the GOP?

Believe it or not, Ben, there was a time when the GOP wasn't dominated by extremists. Same with the one-note Dems. But maybe you're right. Perhaps the moderates should leave both the GOP and Dems and form their own swing party. Maybe call it the Moderate Party. (Yeah, not very original.)

Gatekeeper

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Eh? What's the objection to the last?

If the government wants to promote art, buy paintings and sculptures instead of throwing grant money to artists who take that money and then can also sell their works to make more money, leading to questions of why the original grant was needed in the first place.

Secondly, should the government be promoting more art? Why?

First, the government doesn't just give money to anyone with artistic thoughts...the National Endowment for the Arts specifically states:

dedicated to supporting excellence in the arts--both new and established--bringing the arts to all Americans, and providing leadership in arts education.

It has nothing to do with putting money in artists pockets (who, by the way, make far less money than the average citizen.)

As has been shown by the Greeks, Romans, English, and all other Impirical types, the Arts are important to a broad understanding of citizenship. If Americans ignored the Arts, we would ignore our culture and our heritage.

Certainly you cannot believe a culture is supported only by athletics and a country's choice in food and music.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Certainly you cannot believe a culture is supported only by athletics and a country's choice in food and music.

Who said I do, Mr. Strawman? Just because people believe the government should be funding art a different way (ie, paying for actual works rather than giving grants) doesn't mean they think art sucks. And even those people who believe we shouldn't give to art at all doesn't mean that there will be some 'lack' of culture. It'll just be subject to market forces.

[chequita guevara]

Most of the grants are seed money. If you can get a grant from the government, you can use that to get money from private charities and endowments, etc. Without it, artists usually get overlooked.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You simply aren't going to add that many Moslems in 95.5 years. The person who wrote the book is indulging in wishful thinking without any sense of the actual demographics involved.

The culture flip-flop in Civ 3 which the wargamer hate does happen in the past and against in the future. Westen Civ is in mortal decline like the Roman Empire was before it fall.

When the Muslum took the Holy Land from the Byzantines empire they only make up than very tiny percent like lest than 1% of 1% of the total population of the Holy Land, 40 year later they make up 40% to 50% of the total population. Islan never use the Sword to forcely convert people to they faith unlike Western Christian Church in the Dark Age where it than pagan or arran Christian king convert to the Romely religioun very one in his Kingdom have or they where murber.
Plus the Arab culture wasnot than advance one compore to the Byzantine one. How did they win over so many people to their religion. They tolance for other religion did it for then. They allow the local people to workship God in their own way freely. In fact when the Calp of that time visit Jerusalem to accept the surrender of the city leaders, he was asked to pray in aprominent church(The Church of the Holy Septure). He refused, saying he feared that people would turn it, into a mosque after him. So they pray outside in the street where afterward than mosque was built year later.

The Greek Church in the Holy Land was divide into Icon workshiper than non-Icon workshiper. The non-Icon workshiper control the highter up in the Church and Government, while the people want they Icons. This was going on for along time. In fact the Icon Workship wherenot allow to freely workship God in they way by the local Byzantine Govonor who was loseing control of the Holy Land to Islam. Islam allow both side to workship God in the way they want to. After the 250,000 men Byzantine Empire army at the battle of Yarmuk in the year 637 ACE(After the Common Era). The
Byzantine Empire sent the next 40 year rebuilting they defeat army. The Caph didnot allow the Non-Icon Workshipper to use force on the Icon Workshipper to convert then over. The Byzantine Church make one big error when it sent messager to the Holy Land saying it the Icon Workshipper didnot end they workship of Icon they will be Excommicate from the Church in mass number. Since the Christian there have warn relateionship with the Muslum they decide to convert over which force the Calp to temp suspence the convertion untril He investate the reason for just large number of Christian to convert at once. When he found out no force was use than the Greek church was useing the threast of going to hell on the Icon Workshipper when they die the convertion was allow to take place on humanity ground. When the Byzantine Army sent agent out to the Holy Land to see it the local Christian would support then by attacking Muslum in an than gurrella war action. The local Christian Leader said they would support and fight for the Muslum not for the Byzantine Empire.

[Rex Little]

Originally posted by Agathon


Eh? What's the objection to the last?

My point was not that I object to the NEA (although I do), but that Bush's core supporters hate it. I think some grants went to artists whose works they considered obscene, or something.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Rex Little
My point was not that I object to the NEA (although I do), but that Bush's core supporters hate it. I think some grants went to artists whose works they considered obscene, or something.

As they Muslum artist shouldnot be allow to insult religion in their work at all. The problem is you have airhead artist type of people running the programming. You never see than really great artist enguageing in attacking religious belief in they art work. The fine cloth use in painting some of the very religious painting in the late middle age and early rest came from the muslum in the middle east an it you look read close you see written in arabic "There is no other God but Alaah and Muhammad is His Prophet" was not added on purpose all Muslum cloth work at that time have that phase sewing into it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not from everything we've seen on these boards.

I'm prolly more fiscally conservative than you, sky.

Given the fact that I'm Canadian, I consider that sad.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'm prolly more fiscally conservative than you, sky.

Given the fact that I'm Canadian, I consider that sad.

I was thinking more about the "imposing Christianity on the rest of us" part...

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Kucinich


I was thinking more about the "imposing Christianity on the rest of us" part...

I agree with you on this. Many Muslum who are republian are thinking about leaveing the party over this
. The NeoCom where aiming to wipe out Islam in they so call war on terror. It backfire as they donot have modrate muslum leader an they follower support as they see the war on terror as than WAR ON ISLAM. They where planning on imposing western woman librateion on the muslum woman. Muslum woman where librate 1400 years ago as the Koran give then basely the same right as than man in most area.
All what western Woman libration ever did was to say woman you can so out than have sex with mulpire men and you are free from all family respondion, they can kill they baby in the womb, committ abulate while marry to one man with other man.

[Verto]

Muslum woman where librate 1400 years ago as the Koran give then basely the same right as than man in most area.

What the Koran gives to women and what Muslim governments give to women are two different realities.

[Ming]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
Muslum woman where librate 1400 years ago as the Koran give then basely the same right as than man in most area.