When will moderate Republicans revolt against the neocons?

[Ben Kenobi]

I was thinking more about the "imposing Christianity on the rest of us" part...

Expression is different from imposition. No one is forced to become a Christian.

[Ben Kenobi]

THIS test says I'm a moderate Republican, Sky.

[CharlesBHoff]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ming


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Alot of muslum woman donot want western style liberation. The Saudi woman finally won some battle with the government useing the Koran passage which said this is than woman right. The current crown princes want to go farther in giveing then more but the more convest element of the wal sect which ruler Saudi Arabic are unwilling that sect is less than 2% of the population of Saudi Arabic. I want to do more on this but GOD said donot get involse as only they thenself work it out. Some modern western woman in El Paso who convert over are happy with the right given in the Koran compare to woman lib in the west.

[CharlesBHoff]

Muslum woman can be one step above than Imman by being Ulema Scholars of the faith, some of the greaster scholars where women who taught Islam to the Sultan and Caph and many women service as Islamic law judge. Most modern Muslum country donot follow Islamist law and it they did they would be better off.

In the Dark Age of Eupore untril fair resent time women where not allow to teach men religious topic or allow to be Religious Scholars. At one firday prayer semon one of the Imman said all muslum sister are the equall of they brother and that woman have soul as said in the Koran.

One of the Wall sect member must have said woman have less right than man and that woman have no soul(going against the Koran). Woman only get 1/2 of than man inherent . If I was the only male heir of than wealth man with four wifes with 15 daughters. I must support out of that money 1 mother and 3 stepmother who donot have to spend one penny of their own in support, all of my unmarries sister as well as my own wifes and children. It is said than muslum man is than slave to his wife, mother as he must worked to support then.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


have you ever looked at the federal budget?

no it is not

JM

Depends upon how you look at it.

The problem is that much of the budget, more than 60%, is non-discretionary, meaning that Congress can't change the outlays unless it wants to enact radical changes of policy the likes we haven't seen since 1934 (abolishment of social security, medicare, gov't pensions). So, of the $2 trillion federal budget, a minimum of $1.2 trillion of it can't be "cut" unless you wanna screw grandma and the WW2 generation.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by JohnT


Depends upon how you look at it.

The problem is that much of the budget, more than 60%, is non-discretionary, meaning that Congress can't change the outlays unless it wants to enact radical changes of policy the likes we haven't seen since 1934 (abolishment of social security, medicare, gov't pensions). So, of the $2 trillion federal budget, a minimum of $1.2 trillion of it can't be "cut" unless you wanna screw grandma and the WW2 generation.

The radical Republician never want social security, medical care, or any government social programs to help people and improval societry. They ruin than program to help black family that where poor. The reason why there where so many unwed black mother was the radical republian adding to the program which said the woman cannot get aid if she was marry.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ming

The Koran was indeed a rather progressive text for the liberation of women... 1400 years ago.

Just like the Old Testament was indeed a rather progressive law... 3000 years ago

In 2000 years, I bet people will laugh at the perspective we considered our era to be one of liberation for women

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Expression is different from imposition. No one is forced to become a Christian.

/me brings up gay marriage

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Spiffor

The Koran was indeed a rather progressive text for the liberation of women... 1400 years ago.

Just like the Old Testament was indeed a rather progressive law... 3000 years ago

In 2000 years, I bet people will laugh at the perspective we considered our era to be one of liberation for women

The Koran is still the best progressive book for than healthly lifestyle. In America 50 % of the marraige end in divore, some couple get one right after they first fight or disagreement in marraige. In Islam it both easer and hard to get than divore. Than man can divore his wife by saying three time I divore thee in angery what happen it they both are in bussien together or other joint asset. Islam have no comminunty propority in divore but than bussien own joint by hushand and wife fall under bussienes law than must be slip 50-50 samething with joint assets. Than when he calm down he might find out that someone also marry her. Than man can remarry his ex three time before she must be marry to someone also than divore from him before he can remarry her. The Christian Church in Europe in the middle age rarely allow divore and they still donot allow divore. Marriage in Islam is than civil rite not than religious one.

[Spiffor]

That's strange, because many Muslim countries forbid women the right to divorce, making effectively the man the master of the relationship, and the master of the woman... I hardly call it "progressive" by the standards I grew up in. Which are thankfully NOT the standards of middle ages christianty, that's the point.

Especially because, in the Muslim countries that allow women to initiate divorce, it is an extremely hard and costly judicial process to do so, while it is extremely easy for the man (saying "I divorce you" three times).

If you're calling this kind of relationships "healthy", then I am very glad not to be your wife.

[Ben Kenobi]

Kucinich brings up gay marriage

So?

The government has no responsibility to affirm relationships. That's not their job.

[Kuciwalker]

That crushes the argument for heterosexual marriage too...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kucinich


* Kucinich brings up gay marriage

Which has what to do with forcing people to be Christian?

[Whoha]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The Koran is still the best progressive book for than healthly lifestyle. In America 50 % of the marraige end in divore, some couple get one right after they first fight or disagreement in marraige. In Islam it both easer and hard to get than divore. Than man can divore his wife by saying three time I divore thee in angery what happen it they both are in bussien together or other joint asset. Islam have no comminunty propority in divore but than bussien own joint by hushand and wife fall under bussienes law than must be slip 50-50 samething with joint assets. Than when he calm down he might find out that someone also marry her. Than man can remarry his ex three time before she must be marry to someone also than divore from him before he can remarry her. The Christian Church in Europe in the middle age rarely allow divore and they still donot allow divore. Marriage in Islam is than civil rite not than religious one.

can't divorce women over text messaging though

[Ben Kenobi]

That crushes the argument for heterosexual marriage too...

Service to the state ought to be compensated.