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  • When will moderate Republicans revolt against the neocons?

    As I speak, there is great worry among moderate Republicans regarding the immense Bush tax cuts along with the increasing public unrest and instability with the Iraq occupation.

    Look at the news today:

    WASHINGTON - Republicans retreated Thursday and decided to postpone a Senate vote on their $2.4 trillion budget until at least next month, averting a certain defeat by party moderates demanding curbs on future tax cuts.

    The decision was an election-year embarrassment for both the Republicans who control Congress and President Bush. It came just hours after Bush met privately with GOP lawmakers at the Capitol and urged them to push the 2005 budget through the Senate.

    The House approved the budget, a compromise between the two Republican-run chambers, on Wednesday by a 216-213 vote.
    The Republicans barely mustered enough support in the House and saw sure defeat in the Senate. Asked what might make them (the moderates) change their minds, famed moderate Sen. John McCain joked, "Some of us could get killed in tragic accidents."

    This budget gave great increases to Administration darlings defense and anti-terror while ALSO giving a portion of Bush's tax cut, creating a historical 387 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. For the supposed "CEO of the White House," he sure knows how to run "company" profits into the ground.

    Couple this with recent accusations by Republican leaders of McCain not really being a Republican shows that there is a line being drawn in the sand within the Party, which could only lead to a greater line between fervent Bush supporters and those moderate conservatives who are unsure about the current state of US affairs both home and abroad. It seems the only thing that they can agree on is that gay marraige is bad and Saddam was even badder.

    Unfortunately, the Democrats aren't using this decrease in support for the President to their advantage. They have squandered numerous opportunities to gather centrists and swing votes against the Administration. Any change in party politics would surely have to come with a challange that has more of a theme than "lets put Bush back in Texas." Democrats as a whole aren't ready for that, as evidenced by Kerry's overwhelming primary victory and the sudden collapse of the Dean campaign.

    What, then, will it take for the GOP moderates to say enough is enough?
    Last edited by The Emperor Fabulous; May 21, 2004, 03:06.
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  • #2
    When they do, am I allowed to make "Republicans are revolting" jokes?
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    • #3
      What did any of that have to do with neoconservatives?
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      • #4
        Well, in every revolution some heads must roll....
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        • #5
          Changed...but the Administration's agenda is being fronted by the extremes of the party...my question is when will the moderates fight back?
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          • #6
            I support immense tax cuts.

            If anything, they need to be cut further.

            But this also must be accompanied by a cut in federal spending.

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            • #7
              I support immense tax cuts.

              If anything, they need to be cut further.

              But this also must be accompanied by a cut in federal spending.


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              • #8
                And a cut in Michael Moore's waist size .
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                • #9
                  And a cut in Michael Moore's waist size


                  Let's not get ridiculous here. You should always set feasible goals...
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                  • #10
                    Most moderates in both parties have been against Bush's "devil may care" budgets. We'd like to see a balanced budget (preferably through cuts in government spending), and a streamlining of government programs (merging like programs and killing outdated programs) before anyone considers more tax cuts.

                    Bush has to be the worst financial manager I've ever seen.
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                    • #11
                      As both party's apparently have decide to become fringe driven, I would welcome the formation of a third party that strips away the moderates from both the Dems and Repubs.
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                      • #12
                        What would you cut in government spending? The biggest item in the budget is the military. I'm all for cutting that.
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                        • #13
                          Many so-called moderate republicans are closet democrats.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The diplomat
                            Many so-called moderate republicans are closet democrats.
                            That's what's wrong with you people. You're like Stalinists, eveyone must think and act alike!
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                            • #15
                              I would cut alot of the military's golden gooses which aren't needed. For instance are two new Air Superiority fighters really needed when one could do the job? Do we really need the same number of officers as in the cold war when the military size has been reduced so much? Ending farm subsidies is another excellent cut as is most of the rest of the corporate welfare.

                              I find the government practice of "spend it or lose it" to be especially wasteful. It results in every agency spending all of its extra cash by December 31st whither they need to or not. A better practice would be to give managers and workers a bonus if they improve efficency by cutting spending while maintaining or improving opporations. This will help to farret out wast and decrease government spending. Merging the various competing health care programs into one large program would eliminate alot of middle management also cutting out a few of the 7 or 8 military command layers would help as well. I'm sure they could function with 4-6 levels instead.

                              Making it easier to hire and fire federal workers will help to decrease bloat in the work force. Making the government (military especially) buy off the shelf civilian items where ever possible would save a ton. An example is the automatic transmitions on humvees; the military specified a transmition without a "park" position in order to save money but automakers only make transmitions with a park. That means a new transmition had to be specially designed and when all of the costs were added up the worse transmition actually cost more money then the better transmitions already availible on the market.

                              I would ideally like to see an across the board cut in all programs in order to balance the budget. Sure, lots of good programs would be cut but it is insane to spend so much more then you make.
                              Last edited by Dinner; May 21, 2004, 10:47.
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