it's official. kerry has no chance to win...

[Ben Kenobi]

Unless you can show some evidence to discredit the circumstances under which he got his three purple hearts, you are spewing BS without backing.

Perhaps I could if Kerry releases his medical records.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by GePap


ARRGH! What ****ing scenerio! The army gave him the medals, he did not give them himself!

Actually, he did. As skipper of the boat in question, he had the authority to apply for the decorations for anyone one the boat, including himself. It is my understanding that that is precisely what he did.

Carry on.

Just becuase you incorrectly believed purple hearts are only given for very serious and incapacitating injuries means nothing more than you were wrong!

His service record is with the navy-they gave him a Silver Star, which means a hell of a lot.

What you think is as always irrelevant! Unless you can show some evidence to discredit the circumstances under which he got his three purple hearts, you are spewing BS without backing.

[GePap]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


Actually, he did. As skipper of the boat in question, he had the authority to apply for the decorations for anyone one the boat, including himself. It is my understanding that that is precisely what he did.

Carry on.

So I assume you are saying every single application is approved? Becuase if you are not, then I am correct-it was the person who approved the application is the one who decided the medals were granted. If that person was not Kerry, then ***** to the perosn who granted them.

[Sava]

it's apparant to me that Kerry is not the best candidate... he is just as much a stiff as Al Gore. John Edwards would have been the better choice IMO. I really hope Bush doesn't win again, because then Hillary will win in 2008. And I don't want that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Edwards

I mean really, why don't you say you'd have voted for Dan Quayle for President in 1992!

[Sava]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Edwards

I mean really, why don't you say you'd have voted for Dan Quayle for President in 1992!

oh you're just mad because I said Kerry was a stiff...

[monotone voice]
I am john kerry listen to the sound of my voice it will hypnotize you because I am so boring..... xzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZz
[/monotone voice]

[MikeH]

Boring can be a good thing in a leader, as the Chinese recognise with their "may you live in interesting times" curse.

[Imran Siddiqui]

oh you're just mad because I said Kerry was a stiff...

No, I just know Edwards would be an even more piss poor candidate. He's a Democrat's answer to Dan Quayle. I mean, he's a US Senator and hasn't a CLUE what DOMA is, even though it was obvious that it was going to come up during the debate.

[GePap]

Edwards was warm, personable, a good politician, and a creampuff overall. Looks nice, no substance.

I still think Dean would have been a good candidate-but he got painted as a nut and his campaign was run badly.

[Caligastia]

IMO the dems are damn lucky Dean's campaign flopped.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Your namesake.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Sava

[monotone voice]
I am john kerry listen to the sound of my voice it will hypnotize you because I am so boring..... xzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZz
[/monotone voice]

ROTFLMAO

[SKILORD]

Re: On the Other Hand

Originally posted by Adam Smith
My father is as rock-ribbed Republican as they come. He's voted republican in every presidential election since he could first vote in 1952. This year he's voting for Kerry.

I'm a white, middle aged, college educated, fairly well off, life long Republican, and I too am voting for Kerry.

George W. Bush's use of the political, economic, and military power of the United States to pursue a personal vendetta in Iraq is contrary to our national interest and absolutely inexcusable.

I usually support the Republican candidate (this will be the first time I can cast a vote) I'll be voting for Mike Peroutka.

Well there's another trend, I can't see how he could loose now. He's got the youth vote!

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by GePap


So I assume you are saying every single application is approved? Becuase if you are not, then I am correct-it was the person who approved the application is the one who decided the medals were granted. If that person was not Kerry, then ***** to the perosn who granted them.

Funny you should mention that...

...

A review by the Globe of Kerry's war record in preparation for a forthcoming book, "John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography," found that the young Navy officer acted heroically under fire, in one case saving the life of an Army lieutenant. But the examination also found that Kerry's commanding officer at the time questioned Kerry's first Purple Heart, which he earned for a wound received just two weeks after arriving in Vietnam.

"He had a little scratch on his forearm, and he was holding a piece of shrapnel," recalled Kerry's commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard. "People in the office were saying, 'I don't think we got any fire," and there is a guy holding a little piece of shrapnel in his palm." Hibbard said he couldn't be certain whether Kerry actually came under fire on Dec. 2, 1968, the date in questionand that is why he said he asked Kerry questions about the matter.

But Kerry persisted and, to his own "chagrin," Hibbard said, he dropped the matter. "I do remember some questions, some correspondence about it," Hibbard said. "I finally said, 'OK, if that's what happened . . . do whatever you want." After that, I don't know what happened. Obviously, he got it, I don't know how."

Kerry declined to talk to the Globe about the issue during the preparation of the Kerry biography. But his press secretary, Michael Meehan, noted that the Navy concluded that Kerry deserved the Purple Heart.

During the Vietnam War, Purple Hearts were often granted for minor wounds. "There were an awful lot of Purple Hearts--from shrapnel, some of those might have been M-40 grenades," said George Elliott, who served as a commanding officer to Kerry during another point in his five-month combat tour in Vietnam. (Kerry earlier served a noncombat tour.) "The Purple Hearts were coming down in boxes." Under Navy regulations, an enlistee or officer wounded three times was permitted to leave Vietnam early, as Kerry did. He received all three purple hearts for relatively minor injuries -- two did not cost him a day of service and one took him out for a day or two.

The incident that led to Kerry's first Purple Heart was risky, and covert. He and his crew left the safe confines of the huge US base at Cam Ranh Bay, climbing aboard a "skimmer" boat -- a craft similar to a Boston Whaler -- to travel upriver in search of Viet Cong guerrillas. At a beach that was known as a crossing area for enemy contraband traffic, Kerry's crew spotted some people running from a sampan, a flat-bottomed boat, to a nearby shoreline, according to two men serving alongside Kerry that night, William Zaladonis and Patrick Runyon. When the Vietnamese refused to obey a call to stop, Kerry authorized firing to begin.

"I assume they fired back," Zaladonis recalled in an interview. But neither he nor Runyon saw the source of the shrapnel that lodged in Kerry's arm. "We came across the bay onto the beach and I got [hit] in the arm, got shrapnel in the arm," Kerry told the Globe in a 2003 interview. Kerry has also said he didn't know where the shrapnel came from.

Back at the base, Kerry told Hibbard he qualified for a Purple Heart, according to Hibbard. Thirty-six years later, Hibbard, reached at his retirement home in Florida, said he can still recall Kerry's wound, and that it resembled a scrape from a fingernail. "I've had thorns from a rose that were worse," said Hibbard, a registered Republican who said he was undecided on the 2004 presidential race.

...

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8429449.htm?1c

[PLATO]

Well...I had thought that his main redeeming quality was his war record. How did this idiot get into the race for President? Why doesn't anyone decent want that ******* job?