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U.S. Backs Israel in UNSC vote on Yassin
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I'm guessing heart rate here.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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BUt you know I'm all about equality. No reason they shouldn't be equal."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Could someone explain the meaningful difference between this man and OBL?
Yassin was a co-founder of Hamas, a group dedicated to the salvation of Palestine. In addition to its many suicide bombings of Israeli targets of opportunity, it performs much charitable work in the occupied territories. His most often repeated demand was for the destruction of Israel.
The difference is, OBL is an active armed vereran, the other was an old man who cannot use his arms and legs and has never fired a weapon in his life.
Now d'you dig it?Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84
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Not really. The only differences you highlighted were charity work (Al Capone did that too.) and small focus of targets. Neither of which strike me as being all that relevent.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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OBL did charity work in Afghanistan. Built schools helped pay off the locals that kinda thing."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Could someone explain the meaningful difference between this man and OBL?
Second-there are questions about how much Yassin knew about any one attack, were he was in the operational chain. There IS a difference between urging violence, advocating it, and actually taking hand in planning violence. You can justify killing someone who is part of the operational chain, and that killing him will disrupt attacks in the works. IF killing someone does not remove any imminent threat, then your justification for assasination is far far smaller-if it exists at all.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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One could argue similarly that OBL may or may not have operational impact in current AQ operations."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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OBL denied involvement in 9-11.Best MMORPG on the net: www.cyberdunk.com?ref=310845
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. -Gandhi
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
One could argue similarly that OBL may or may not have operational impact in current AQ operations.
Plus I think it is clear, even if now due to ciscumstances he can;t control events, he ran training camps-he lived in training camps: how could you argue he is not part of the setting up of attacks? Yassin though, much tougher. And israel does not even really say he was part of the operational side.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by GePap
IF killing someone does not remove any imminent threat, then your justification for assasination is far far smaller-if it exists at all.
So again, OBL may or may not be an imminent threat but more a rabble rouser similar to Yassin.
Which raises a question "What's the meaningful difference between Yassin and OBL?""Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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I disapprove or Israel's actions in assasinating Yassin. He shoudl have been captured and put on trial rather than being made into a martyr. If he would have been found guilty (as I am sure he would have) he should have been sent to prison like any other murderer.
However, I agree with the US using its veto to block this. The condemnation is very one-sided, and does nothing to help bring a constructive resolution, but instead only inflames things further.
*jaw drops*
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Which raises a question "What's the meaningful difference between Yassin and OBL?"
The US can show with more confidence Osama knew and helped plan specific plots, the same can not be said of Yassin. Which means that while Osama may be unable to do mcuh now due to circumstance, IF he did get a chance to get back to his buddies, he could again help orchestrate. Yassin was able to speak to his buddies-the question being, did he ever orchestrate attacks-have operational knowledge of them, so forth and so on. Yassin served the same purpose in an Israeli jail as he did out in the street-the same CAN'T be said of Osama.
And as I said before, I think the US should do everything in its power to capture, NOT kill Osama.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Because he could be a source of intell we would value. If such we're not the case, we wouldn't care either way.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Azazel
That's the way it works, Charlie. If they want to have a claim that they are really cool guerilla freedom fighters, they must be them, and not target civilians. Sheesh, the lengths you go to defend suicide bombings are staggering. Noone said that their weapons and training were better. Guerillas rarely, if ever get that.
Why won't we leave?
a) In the Gaza Strip, we do plan to leave ( while I personally don't agree with it, I think it would be better if we did in an agreement with the palestinians)
b) generally, why do you think it's ok to displace hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes if they're Israelis, and not if they're palestinians?
You've got the wealth, the military, the educated people. You are the side that can change things the most rapidly.
Of course, everyone knows it's better to build a fascist state, and sacrifice some of your youth for thousands of Palestinians, stuck inside an illegal wall, with no access to water, and economic strangulation.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.
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