U.S. Backs Israel in UNSC vote on Yassin

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
The problem is that if you agree that Israel can use military means, the Palestinians obviously can. This means "no civilians spared".

Since when did Hamas spare civilians?

[notyoueither]

Correct that, when the hell did Hamas not go after civilians?

[Fake Boris]

Never. That was my point: Israel doesn't, and the Hamas certainly doesn't.

[notyoueither]

That is a curious twist of facts, considering Hamas targets nothing but civies, and the IDF takes some measures to avoid the same.

How many did the IDF get with their latest, 'anti-terrorist bus bomb'? One or two terrorists harpooned riding in a sedan? How many IDF generals did Hamas get with their last 10 homicide bombs on public transit in Haifa?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Are you seriously asking that we, during war time, put every combatant on trial before conducting military operations?!

This argument is funny considering Yassin WAS in an Israeli prison and Israel traded him for some soliders. If he was SOOO much of a threat, why let him go?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Winston
It's good to know at least the US doesn't see every action by Israel out of context.

Exactly.
I mean this veto was just so shocking

[notyoueither]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Ahmed_Yassin

In 1997 Yassin was released from Israeli prison as part of an arrangement with Jordan following a failed assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal conducted by the Israeli Mossad in Jordan. Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities, on condition that he refrain from calling for suicide bombings against Israel.
Following his release, Yassin reassumed his leadership of Hamas. He immediately resumed his calls for resistance to Israeli occupation using tactics including suicide bombings against both Israeli military and civilian targets. His epigram is his most famous quote: "We chose this road, and will end with martyrdom or victory".

During the various stages of the "peace process" between Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), Yassin was repeatedly placed under house arrest by the PA. Each time Yassin was placed under house arrest he was eventually released, often after extended demonstrations by his supporters...

The attack, which was part of an ongoing Israeli retaliation against Hamas-sponsored suicide bombings, followed Sheikh Yassin's taunt that Israel's response to the Ashdod suicide bombers was weak, and that Hamas would gain strength as a result.

It appears they valued their operatives.

It also appears that the guy had a big enough mouth to warrant shutting.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
That is a curious twist of facts, considering Hamas targets nothing but civies, and the IDF takes some measures to avoid the same.

How many did the IDF get with their latest, 'anti-terrorist bus bomb'? One or two terrorists harpooned riding in a sedan? How many IDF generals did Hamas get with their last 10 homicide bombs on public transit in Haifa?

Oh, you need a lecture about the situation, don't you? why is it that Palestinians target civilians? because they want to, or because it's too hard to get the politicians and the soldiers, with their miserable armament? Targetting the civilians is a weapon of despair. If they had choppers and stealth fighters, do you really think they'd be wasting their time on buses?

[notyoueither]

And German soldiers were soo much harder for the French resistence? Did the the Resistance resort to blowing up French civies out of frustration?

I guess the US soldiers in Vietman were simply defenceless, that's why the VC killed so many of them?

How about them Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan! They must have been riding in buses in Kabul when the Mujahedeen got them all.

Targeting civies is a sign of weakness alright. A weak backbone and a total disregard for human life. NOTHING justifies private citizens targetting other civilians, no matter what you perceive to be your cause.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Targeting civies is a sign of weakness alright. A weak backbone and a total disregard for human life.

Hmmm... you realize that the Allies targetted civilians in WW2? Was that a sign of weakness? Weak backbone and total disregard for human life?

[notyoueither]

That's debatable, and perhaps you'd like to quote the rest of the paragraph that completes the thought, or do you want to swing at straw men?

[notyoueither]

Let me put it this way, if this were WW2, and our morality was the guide, there would be no Palestinians at large in Greater Isreal. They would all be either in internment camps or have suffocated under a carpet of bombs.

That is not the case, so where do you want to go with this?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And German soldiers were soo much harder for the French resistence? Did the the Resistance resort to blowing up French civies out of frustration?

No, they sure wouldn't have hesitated to blow some Germans, seeing how the SS massacred French villages.

Besides, there are occasional skirmishes between the Army and Palestinians. They just stand no chance against them, seeing how one Israeli military death equates about 534 Palestinians. The odds were nowhere like that in the Resistance.

I guess the US soldiers in Vietman were simply defenceless, that's why the VC killed so many of them?

The did receive help from the USSR and China, didn't they? The Palestinians barely have slings and some pistols.

How about them Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan! They must have been riding in buses in Kabul when the Mujahedeen got them all.

Funny, I thought the Mudjaheedeens were trained and armed by some very special friends. And I also thought that the Israelis only defended the border, and sent copters to do the raids specifically to avoid ambushes by Palestinian resistance.

Targeting civies is a sign of weakness alright. A weak backbone and a total disregard for human life. NOTHING justifies private citizens targetting other civilians, no matter what you perceive to be your cause.

What's so different between targetting them directly and ignoring collateral damage? the results are the same, hatred.

Now look at what Israel is doing, and ask yourself how it is justified.

[Az]

The did receive help from the USSR and China, didn't they? The Palestinians barely have slings and some pistols.

Spearmen, Spearmen.

They have AKs, RPGs, guided ATGMs, sniper rifles.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
The did receive help from the USSR and China, didn't they? The Palestinians barely have slings and some pistols.

Perhaps Arafat could use some of his billion to even the terms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arafat

Personal wealth
Arafat appears in the business magazine Forbes' annual list of the wealthiest "Kings, Queens and Despots". They estimate his wealth as being "at least $300 million", placing Arafat sixth on the list in 2003. [2] [3] Forbes did not indicate its source for this information.
In August 2002, Israeli Military Intelligence Chief Aharon Ze'evi estimated Arafat's personal wealth to be $1.3 billion. [4]


Financial irregularities
The International Monetary Fund conducted an audit of the Palestinian Authority which stated that Arafat diverted $900 million in public funds to a special bank account he controlled. Other estimates range between $1 Billion and $3 Billion. Arafat's wife, Suha, is estimated to receive a stipend of $100,000 each month. According to Forbes, the new PA Finance Minister, Salam Fayyad appointed June 2002, is tasked with cleaning up PA finances, cutting off much of Arafat's cash flow. [5] [6] [7]

In October 2003, French government prosecutors opened an money-laundering probe of Suha Arafat after Tracfin alerted the prosecutors to transfers of nearly $1.27 million each with some regularity from Switzerland to Mrs. Arafat's accounts in Paris. The probe was made public February 11, 2004.

Poor little rich terrorist riding the backs of desperate people.

You want the problem with peace in Palestine? It's right there.