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  • #16
    Originally posted by Oncle Boris
    The problem is that if you agree that Israel can use military means, the Palestinians obviously can. This means "no civilians spared".
    No the palestinians cannot as the Israelis don't direct terrorism.

    Edit: Like my new avatar? I need a new face around here.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #17
      If you argue that in war no rules exist, why whine about an assassination?
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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      • #18
        This argument that killing Yassin will lead to more terrorist attacks is a fallacious one. If you are a Palestinian and you believed suicide attacks are good, this won't change your view. If you don't view suicide attacks as good, you probably don't have a high opinion of Hamas, and while you may not like assanation, it's not likely to turn you into a suicide bomber.

        In any case, the point is kind of moot, as the terrorists in Palestine find no shortage of volunteers for their deadly missions. It's not as if gaining more recruits would help the jihadists any, since manpower isn't a problem for them.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Giancarlo

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          I was just about to comment on it.

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          • #20
            Errr... Giancarlo, surely you could write us an essay about how it was the Aliens and not the Israelis who strangled Palestine into becoming one of the poorest place in the world, and how shooting rockets into crowds and razing villages is not 'terrorism'?
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Giancarlo



              Edit: Like my new avatar? I need a new face around here.
              Is that avatar how your face looks now post-surgery?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                This argument that killing Yassin will lead to more terrorist attacks is a fallacious one. If you are a Palestinian and you believed suicide attacks are good, this won't change your view. If you don't view suicide attacks as good, you probably don't have a high opinion of Hamas, and while you may not like assanation, it's not likely to turn you into a suicide bomber.

                In any case, the point is kind of moot, as the terrorists in Palestine find no shortage of volunteers for their deadly missions. It's not as if gaining more recruits would help the jihadists any, since manpower isn't a problem for them.
                There are other things than suicide bombers. It's called popular support, mentality, etc.
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


                  Is that avatar how your face looks now post-surgery?
                  Just the face of reputation.

                  "Errr... Giancarlo, surely you could write us an essay about how it was the Aliens and not the Israelis who strangled Palestine into becoming one of the poorest place in the world, and how shooting rockets into crowds and razing villages is not 'terrorism'?"

                  The Palestinians did that to themselves by going along with terrorism and not stopping it. There were many peace deals on the table, even to return their country to them but they turned it down. They forced the suffering on themselves.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #24
                    Yeaaaah sure.
                    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                    • #25
                      The total dumbasses strike again.

                      Most nations (i.e. everyone else) supported the resolution explicitly or implicitly because, even though some of them might not disagree in principle with the assassination of terrorists, they couldn't for the life of them see how this does anything to make the situation in the Middle East better for anyone.

                      The news media can't work out why Sharon did it for Christ's sake. Some of them think it might be part of a strategy of "bloody withdrawal" but are reluctant to attribute this to Sharon since it's never worked before and one would have to be a blithering idiot to believe that it would.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #26
                        Israel also wants it both way. As an occupying power, which Israel is under the various Geneva conventions, they would have been justified in arresting and convicting Yassir, then executing him. As they have the power (unlike the Palestinians) the primary responsibility falls on THEM to follow the Geneva Accords. Firing a rocket into a group of civilians to "assissinate" Yassir is in total violation of the Geneva accords FOR AN OCCUPYING POWER.. As long as Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza (which they do under virtually every definition) then they violate the Geneva Conventions every time they fire a rocket into a civilian area.

                        This would put Israeli soldiers at risk. Israel chooses not to, and instead deliberately, with calculated forethought, chooses to put civilians, and this includes numerous children, at risk and KILLS them. Now if Israel pulls out, lets a Palestinian INDEPENDENT government come to power, and then attacks the exact same way, the actions are perfectly legal in self-defense. The risks of invading a sovereign territory giving aid and comfort to the terrorists is such that the air strike is considered acceptable under the Geneva Accords, at least as I understand them. The problem is that Israel wants all the privaleges of an occupying power, for example controlling the water resources of the West Bank, without the problems of one, for example taking losses during a properly conducted counter-insurgency operation that adheres to the Geneva convention. They are quite willing to kill children (firing Air-to-Ground missles into cars, apartment buildings, and open streets) to avoid taking losses of military personnel. Everytime they do that it recruits that many more people to the cause of the Palestinian and Moslem extremists. Stupid, and short sighted.

                        The Palestinian terror bombings are equally heinous. I just want to make one point. The Israeli's have killed more children in their response to the Intefada than the Palestinians have killed Israeli children. Note I am talking children, not teenagers. The extremists of both sides, who happen to be in power, are loathsome individuals who should be tried at the Hague. The US should get the out of that hellhole, until the Israeli's are willing to guarantee Palestinians equal property and resource rights in the West Bank and Gaza, and to either adhere to the Geneva Accords for an occupying power or pull out of the West Bank and Gaza totally. Also the US should not deal with the Palestinians until they have a free and uncorrupt government, something the Israelis, the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas, each for their own reasons, does everything in their power to sabotage. I repeat, the US should get out. Period. And stay out.
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                        • #27
                          They had him in prison and let him out.

                          Look the guy was a quadraplegic who was so far gone that he didn't even notice the last time rockets hit the building he was in.
                          Only feebs vote.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Giancarlo
                            The Palestinians did that to themselves by going along with terrorism and not stopping it. There were many peace deals on the table, even to return their country to them but they turned it down. They forced the suffering on themselves.
                            So, people wake up in the morning and decide to blow themselves up with no reason? If you wouldn't, why would they?
                            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Oncle Boris


                              So, people wake up in the morning and decide to blow themselves up with no reason? If you wouldn't, why would they?
                              They hate Israelis. It is that simple.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #30
                                on the US veto.

                                It's good to know at least the US doesn't see every action by Israel out of context.

                                But the United Nations is still a joke when it comes to political matters. A bad joke.

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