U.S. Backs Israel in UNSC vote on Yassin

[mrmitchell]

Killing the trained leadership really does slow down terror attacks as the terrorists are forced to find and train new leaders.

Do you NEED leadership to strap a bomb to your pants and blow a bus to smithereens?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


I'm guessing heart rate here.

Fair point.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

BUt you know I'm all about equality. No reason they shouldn't be equal.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Could someone explain the meaningful difference between this man and OBL?

Sure. OBL is a war hero to many Muslims, and has actively killed many infidels. After the 1991 Gulf War, when the US and other infidel nations occuped the Holy places of Islam, he declared war on the infidel, by the means of mass terror. His most often repeated demand is for all infidels to be removed from Saudi Arabia.

Yassin was a co-founder of Hamas, a group dedicated to the salvation of Palestine. In addition to its many suicide bombings of Israeli targets of opportunity, it performs much charitable work in the occupied territories. His most often repeated demand was for the destruction of Israel.

The difference is, OBL is an active armed vereran, the other was an old man who cannot use his arms and legs and has never fired a weapon in his life.

Now d'you dig it?

[DinoDoc]

Not really. The only differences you highlighted were charity work (Al Capone did that too.) and small focus of targets. Neither of which strike me as being all that relevent.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

OBL did charity work in Afghanistan. Built schools helped pay off the locals that kinda thing.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Could someone explain the meaningful difference between this man and OBL?

If The US had the ability to capture him, they would, and try him. That is one

Second-there are questions about how much Yassin knew about any one attack, were he was in the operational chain. There IS a difference between urging violence, advocating it, and actually taking hand in planning violence. You can justify killing someone who is part of the operational chain, and that killing him will disrupt attacks in the works. IF killing someone does not remove any imminent threat, then your justification for assasination is far far smaller-if it exists at all.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

One could argue similarly that OBL may or may not have operational impact in current AQ operations.

[The Mad Viking]

OBL denied involvement in 9-11.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
One could argue similarly that OBL may or may not have operational impact in current AQ operations.

And I would argue it is far more important and effective for us to capture him than simply kill him.

Plus I think it is clear, even if now due to ciscumstances he can;t control events, he ran training camps-he lived in training camps: how could you argue he is not part of the setting up of attacks? Yassin though, much tougher. And israel does not even really say he was part of the operational side.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap
IF killing someone does not remove any imminent threat, then your justification for assasination is far far smaller-if it exists at all.

Your point for deciding an assasination was the current imminent threat. His past misdoings and culpability for operational aspects have little to do with the decision to assasinate if he is not an imminent threat today.

So again, OBL may or may not be an imminent threat but more a rabble rouser similar to Yassin.


Which raises a question "What's the meaningful difference between Yassin and OBL?"

[Az]

I disapprove or Israel's actions in assasinating Yassin. He shoudl have been captured and put on trial rather than being made into a martyr. If he would have been found guilty (as I am sure he would have) he should have been sent to prison like any other murderer.

However, I agree with the US using its veto to block this. The condemnation is very one-sided, and does nothing to help bring a constructive resolution, but instead only inflames things further.

*jaw drops*

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Which raises a question "What's the meaningful difference between Yassin and OBL?"

The past makes a HUGE difference-after all, are you saying a man can be killed solely for inciting violence by his words? Israel killed him becuase of his past-it is then disingeneous for you to say the past does not matter.

The US can show with more confidence Osama knew and helped plan specific plots, the same can not be said of Yassin. Which means that while Osama may be unable to do mcuh now due to circumstance, IF he did get a chance to get back to his buddies, he could again help orchestrate. Yassin was able to speak to his buddies-the question being, did he ever orchestrate attacks-have operational knowledge of them, so forth and so on. Yassin served the same purpose in an Israeli jail as he did out in the street-the same CAN'T be said of Osama.

And as I said before, I think the US should do everything in its power to capture, NOT kill Osama.

[DinoDoc]

Because he could be a source of intell we would value. If such we're not the case, we wouldn't care either way.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Azazel
That's the way it works, Charlie. If they want to have a claim that they are really cool guerilla freedom fighters, they must be them, and not target civilians. Sheesh, the lengths you go to defend suicide bombings are staggering. Noone said that their weapons and training were better. Guerillas rarely, if ever get that.

I'm not defending them, I'm ridiculizing those who think Tsahal is doing better things.

Why won't we leave?
a) In the Gaza Strip, we do plan to leave ( while I personally don't agree with it, I think it would be better if we did in an agreement with the palestinians)

b) generally, why do you think it's ok to displace hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes if they're Israelis, and not if they're palestinians?

You don't leave, no peace, ever. Terrorism for ever, and the assurance that other Arab countries would strike Israel at the first sign of weakness.
You've got the wealth, the military, the educated people. You are the side that can change things the most rapidly.

Of course, everyone knows it's better to build a fascist state, and sacrifice some of your youth for thousands of Palestinians, stuck inside an illegal wall, with no access to water, and economic strangulation.