This is a definite victory for Al-Qaeda. Their terror attack has succeded at getting a government much less friendly to the US and removed a key ally.
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This is a definite victory for Al-Qaeda. Their terror attack has succeded at getting a government much less friendly to the US and removed a key ally."Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
"España es un problema, Europa su solución" (Ortega y Gasset)
The Spanish Civilization Site
"Déjate llevar por la complejidad y cabalga sobre ella" - Niessuh, sabio cÃvico
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And also a big~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~
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Originally posted by GePap
If we buy the oft repeated "AQ hates us for our freedom", then any time a people get to elect their new leaders freely and a peaceful transfer of power occurs, AQ has lost. Will now the people who repeat this most often stop saying it? Or do they trully believe it?
I am decrying the free choice of people to elect their government. It does not matter if it is socialist or conservative as long as it is freely elected. The problem I have is the undue influence that a terrorist attack may have had on this election. With polls showing the government leading a week ago and now the vote going the other way then one has to raise the question about this being a possible influence. If it was, then was this election truly free? This is my point.
Plato: those that sold the war on Iraq sold it a a short term action-an immidiate cure to an immidiate problem -remmber all the flack given to Dean for saying we werew not a lick safer having caught Saddam? Well, to the people of Spain, this has come to shown true- Iraq is a very long term part of the possible solution to the war on terror, which will not yield benefits for at leasta decade in that regard. It was not sold that way though-and those that sold the war on false premises should see the consequences of their claims."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
This is a definite victory for Al-Qaeda. Their terror attack has succeded at getting a government much less friendly to the US and removed a key ally.
What, the Spanish Socialists are going to pull out of NATO next I suppose? The same way Tony Blair's Socialists did. The same way Australia's Labour Party broke up the Anzus Pact when it was elected under Bob Hawke.
Oh, except neither of the last two things happened.
I can't wait for the lunatic fringe theorists telling us how Osama bin Laden bankrolls the Socialists secretly.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by germanos
Dismissing the election results in Spain as being unCivilized is quite a big thing to say. In fact it shows great contempt for people who do have made a choice
in what kind of society they wish to live, and who do willingly choose the goverment they want.
If election results don't fit your agenda, and if you then call the electorate uncivilized or perhaps even undemocratic, then I really cannot fathom what you eleive to be civilized or a democracy, that you so eagerly wish to get established in the middle-east."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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Originally posted by molly bloom
I can't wait for the lunatic fringe theorists telling us how Osama bin Laden bankrolls the Socialists secretly.~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~
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With polls showing the government leading a week ago and now the vote going the other way then one has to raise the question about this being a possible influence. If it was, then was this election truly free? This is my point.
How the **** is that not free?"I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
^ The Poly equivalent of:
"I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite
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I will explain a thing: PSOE will NOT withdraw Spain from the alliance. After this attack, a withdrawal from Iraq could be seen (should be seen) as a victory of the terrorists, so no european government can do that.
But... Spain will turn to France and Germany, "the old Europe" that we never should have left. If somebody in the US thinks that France and Germany aren't US allies, is wrong. It's just they have their own opinions and don't mind to express them. Just like 90% (just an opinion poll, but it's the best that we have) of the spanish population did last year when we invaded Iraq."Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
"España es un problema, Europa su solución" (Ortega y Gasset)
The Spanish Civilization Site
"Déjate llevar por la complejidad y cabalga sobre ella" - Niessuh, sabio cÃvico
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
This is a definite victory for Al-Qaeda. Their terror attack has succeded at getting a government much less friendly to the US and removed a key ally.
And you might finally start to rethink your key-ally wasn't so KEY, as the spanish people have told the US a year ago with the massive demonstrations in the streets of Madrid (yes, the very same streets that you have seen over the last couple of days)"post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
"I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller
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Originally posted by joncha
You mean he doesn't? Damn, I was really looking forward to that cheque.
Of course it will be easier when Labour is elected, because Australia will become an anti-American Islamic Socialist one party state, as always happens when socialist governments are sworn in around the world.
Interesting isn't it, how Bush and the Republicans= America in some people's minds?Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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