Socialist claim victory in Spain

[Kuciwalker]

Is a complete withdrawal from Iraq (what the socialists were supporting) the solution?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Azazel
So paiktis, do you think that Al Qaeda attacked Spain to avenge Iraq?

I think it was the PP stupid "it's ETA" tactic that led to their demise in the elections. It was an obvious lie.

And yet there is convincing evidence for both sides... so no, it's not obvious that it's a lie. It's not even necessarily true.

[NeOmega]

Anzar and his ilk are responsible for what happened in Madrid. It is obvious, that his attempts to peg it on ETA were trying to turn the writing on the wall to braille.

Spain rejected the politicians that rejected their wishes to stay out of the Iraq war.

Good Job Spanish voter.

[Agathon]

YAY!!!

[Menlas]

Yeeha, viva España !!


Hmm, let's see the list...

1. Aznar

2. Bush

3. Blair

To be continued...

[PLATO]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Socialist claim victory in Spain

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Al Qaeda influenced the US political landscape, it influenced your laws, and it influenced your behavior.
So I guess one could say Al Qaeda triumphed over the United States?

I am afraid that this is truer than you think. The restrictions on freedom that have been implemented and that are being discussed can be nothing short of an al-qaida victory. Additionally, in Spain, the nearness of these attacks to the elections and the swing in public opinion it apparently caused is of utmost concern.

I still support the war in Iraq on the basis of limiting terrorism. The reasons are that the face of the Middle East must change in order for terrorism to be ultimately defeated. If (Big IF) democracy can take hold in that region then it will help difuse the causes of terrorism and radical fundamentalism.

This war on terror is quite real. Civilization scored a victory in Afghanistan. It took a chance in Iraq (which hopefully will end up being successful). Civilization lost battles with 9/11, the patriot act, the fracturing of the western alliance, the Madrid bombings, and now the Spanish elections (I am not saying that the socialists are unfit, just that their victory was a result of successful terrorism).

It IS all related. The greatest terrorist victory is the complacency that so many are showing and that has been demonstrated in this thread.

[jasev]

Don't be so rude, Menlas, I think we may spare Blair (mainly because the Conservative Party would do the same or even more).

[NeOmega]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Socialist claim victory in Spain

Originally posted by PLATO


I am afraid that this is truer than you think. The restrictions on freedom that have been implemented and that are being discussed can be nothing short of an al-qaida victory. Additionally, in Spain, the nearness of these attacks to the elections and the swing in public opinion it apparently caused is of utmost concern.

I still support the war in Iraq on the basis of limiting terrorism. The reasons are that the face of the Middle East must change in order for terrorism to be ultimately defeated. If (Big IF) democracy can take hold in that region then it will help difuse the causes of terrorism and radical fundamentalism.

This war on terror is quite real. Civilization scored a victory in Afghanistan. It took a chance in Iraq (which hopefully will end up being successful). Civilization lost battles with 9/11, the patriot act, the fracturing of the western alliance, the Madrid bombings, and now the Spanish elections (I am not saying that the socialists are unfit, just that their victory was a result of successful terrorism).

It IS all related. The greatest terrorist victory is the complacency that so many are showing and that has been demonstrated in this thread.

Apparently, the majority of the people of Spain do not feel this way. And you are right, it is related, and Iraq was a deception, which the Spanish people saw through.

If only America weren't bombarded with it's own war loving propaganda all the time. It seems a vast majority of the world knows the real situation.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

In a side note, Putin wins in Russia.

[Menlas]

Originally posted by jasev
Don't be so rude, Menlas, I think we may spare Blair (mainly because the Conservative Party would do the same or even more).

Yeah, I agree . Blair is probably far to be the worse, and I don't really dislike him, except about his positions on Irak's war. Otherwise, he's not a bad PM.

[JCG]

On the one hand, it's very good that the "anti-war" party triumphed...on the other, it's a bit too late, and while it's certainly a victory for the PSOE, they will have to make coalitions in order to rule...and in any case, let's wait and see what are their first concrete actions.

For example, economically-wise, some Spaniards elsewhere seem to be concerned that the PSOE will increase social spending without having enough resources to back it up (and won't even consider tax increases...at least not at first) and it may lead to inflation and unemployment (don't shoot the messanger, k?).

[jasev]

and now the Spanish elections (I am not saying that the socialists are unfit, just that their victory was a result of successful terrorism).

I don't think so. The PSOE won not because of Al-Queda but because of the pathetic attemps by the PP to blame ETA when they couldn't know it (and later, when they really knew ETA had no relationship).

[PLATO]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Socialist claim victory in Spain

Originally posted by NeOmega


Apparently, the majority of the people of Spain do not feel this way.

The point is that the majority polled differently before the attack. The nearness to the elections of the attack allowed no time for public opinion to stabilize. This was clearly a reactionary vote. If you had put Bush up for re-election a week after 9/11 then he would have gotten 90% of the vote. Upon further reflection, it doesn't appear that will be the result, now does it?

[jasev]

The point is that the majority polled differently before the attack. The nearness to the elections of the attack allowed no time for public opinion to stabilize.

Let me say a thing. Less than a year ago, we had local elections in all the cities of Spain. PSOE received more votes than PP.

[yaroslav]

I just spoke with two PP voters who in this election voted to socialist because the way the goverment handled the information in the last three days.