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    International News

    Early results favor Spanish opposition
    Vote overshadowed by Madrid train bombings

    Peter Dejong / AP
    Voters check their names on posted lists before voting at San Isidro School in Madrid, Spain, on Sunday.
    MSNBC News Services
    Updated: 3:58 p.m. ET March 14, 2004MADRID, Spain -

    Spain’s ruling Popular Party looked headed for defeat in elections overshadowed by the Madrid terror bombings, with the opposition Socialists poised to score spectacular gains, according to partial results.

    With 56 percent of the votes counted, the conservatives — who had been projected to win comfortably before the bombings — fell from 183 seats in the last 350-seat legislature to 146. The Socialists soared from 125 to 163.

    Turnout was high at 76 percent. Voters expressed anger with the government, accusing it of provoking the Madrid attacks by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq, which most Spaniards opposed.

    Earlier, two exit polls gave the Socialists the most votes, while another put the ruling Popular Party — favorite in opinion polls up to a week ago — in front.

    Critics have said Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar invited the attention of Osama bin Laden’s terror group by allying Spain with Washington in the invasion that ousted Saddam Hussein.

    Fueling anger were suspicions that the government withheld information in the investigation to avoid political fallout from the Thursday bombings, which killed 200 people and injured 1,500. The government had initially blamed the Basque separatist group ETA.

    The exit polls suggested the Socialists had done much better than expected and that no single party would emerge with an absolute majority in parliament, meaning whoever wins most seats will probably need help from another party to form a government.

    Analysts had warned the Popular Party could be rocked if voters believed Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida had mounted its first attack in Europe.

    Telecinco television’s exit poll showed the Popular Party winning 40.6 percent of the vote to 38.3 percent for the Socialists. That would mean the Popular Party taking 169 seats, short of the 176 needed for an absolute majority.

    State television had the Socialists winning 41.4 percent of the vote and the Popular Party 36 percent. Private radio Cadena Ser’s poll gave the Socialists 40.5 percent and the Popular Party 39.5 percent.

    Before the attacks, polls gave ruling the Popular Party and its candidate, Mariano Rajoy, a 3-5 percentage point lead over the Socialists and their leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero in the race for the 350-seat Congress of Deputies. Prime Minister Aznar is not seeking a third term; in the outgoing legislature, his party had 183 seats.

    Feelings of ‘anguish, sadness, horror’
    Many Spaniards entered voting booths grim-faced, and some wore handwritten badges that said “peace.”

    “Spain has never voted in such a tragic situation. There’s a feeling of anguish, sadness, horror,” said Joaquin Leguina, a former president of Madrid’s regional government.

    “I didn’t intend to vote, but changed my mind,” said Javi Martin, 30, who works for a TV station in Madrid. “And not because of the attacks, but because of the responsibility of the Popular Party. They gave out information drop by drop. It would have benefited them if it were ETA.”

    Some evidence points toward al-Qaida role
    Evidence of possible al-Qaida involvement grew after the government announced finding a videotape in a trash can Saturday on which a man says the Islamic terror group was punishing Spain for its support of the Iraq war. An Arabic-speaking man called a Madrid TV station to say the tape was there, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said.

    Earlier in the day, three Moroccans and two Indians were arrested over the bombings.

    Spain’s El Pais newspaper, citing the interior ministry, reported that the Moroccans are linked to Abu Dahdah, the jailed alleged leader of al-Qaida’s Spanish cell. Authorities in Morocco said Sunday they could not confirm that.

    Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday it is too early to say whether al-Qaida was behind the bombings.

    “It’s just premature to make a judgment. I don’t think we know enough, and the Spanish are very good at these kinds of investigations. And I’m sure they’ll get to the bottom of it,” Powell said.
    Is this a political victory for al-Qaida ? Does the coaltion begin to unravel now? Or does this even matter?
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

  • #2
    Congratulations to the socialists and to the people of Spain

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    • #3
      Originally posted by paiktis22
      Congratulations to the socialists and to the people of Spain
      Well...yes. Congratulations.


      BUT, doesn't the fact that al-Qaida may have influenced the outcome bother you?
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #4
        *cheers*

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        • #5
          We're going to Madrid,
          then we're going to London,
          then we're going to Washington D.C.
          Yaaaaaaarghhh!
          - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
          - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
          - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PLATO


            Well...yes. Congratulations.


            BUT, doesn't the fact that al-Qaida may have influenced the outcome bother you?
            No. The Partido Popular support of the american blood bath in Iraq was illegal and immoral and they have been punished by that in the elections. They ignored their own people and have payed in true democracy.

            I feel very sad about the terrorist attacks but if ONE positive message can come out of them is that the PEOPLE can regain the power it was denied from them.

            So Hurray for the socialists and the Spanish.

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            • #7
              Re: Socialist claim victory in Spain

              Originally posted by PLATO
              Is this a political victory for al-Qaida ? Does the coaltion begin to unravel now? Or does this even matter?
              How is this a victory for al-Qaida?

              And what coalition? x>80% of Spaniards opposed the damn Iraq thing to begin with, the Popular Party was already in opposition to the popular wishes. I.e. the coalition wasn't real. Now the party takes a hit for its defiance of the popular will. And it doesn't help that the Popular Party looks like it engaged in a cover-up.

              Quit being such a wingnut.
              - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
              - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
              - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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              • #8
                Man, Fez's head is going to explode.
                "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
                "you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
                "I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident

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                • #9
                  So the conservatives got voted out because people think they invited the attacks by taking on the terrorists... That seems like the anger in the situation is a bit misplaced. Also, the attacks were planned to influence the election, which obviously happened. Is this necessarily a good thing?

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                  • #10
                    Did you read the article? Before the bombing the conservatives were expected to easily win. This is not punishment of the existing government for not caving into the liberal, despot supporting rantings of the ill informed anti-iraqi Freedom crowd. This is a populace caving in to terrorism. A bad precedent for sure.
                    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                    • #11
                      Is this a political victory for al-Qaida ? Does the coaltion begin to unravel now? Or does this even matter?
                      How is this a political victory of Al-Quaeda. It's the loss of the PP who tried to manipulate the public opinion with the ETA link and pressure on embassies and journalists to speak only of ETA etc. and their strategy went boomerang. Hooray!
                      "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
                      "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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                      • #12
                        The PP was facing quite a bit of opposition for quite a while. While the attacks and the subsequent actions of the government might have tilted the balance, a socialist victory isn't too surprising.

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                        • #13
                          I will post this again here, without comment:

                          A PM from Fez/Giancarlo

                          I'm through
                          Just convey this message for me, and please be accurate.

                          My country has made a big mistake. The victory of the PSOE highlights this and I will be renouncing my passport in due course aswell as my dual citizenship. I feel that I have lost faith in my country and the people have handed the terrorists a victory. Tis a truly a sad day in the history of my country. After this whole issue, I will not be returning to apolyton as I am exhausted.
                          ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kontiki
                            Man, Fez's head is going to explode.
                            I was thinking the same thing.


                            EDIT: Joncha,
                            Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

                            Do It Ourselves

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                            • #15
                              Re: Re: Socialist claim victory in Spain

                              Originally posted by The Templar
                              Quit being such a wingnut.
                              You crack me up!

                              (Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind)



                              How is this a political victory of Al-Quaeda.
                              They changed the outcome of the election through the use of terror. How is it anything other than a victory for al-Qaida?
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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