Gay Marriage views at Apolyton

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by yavoon


so ur going to deny people a right based upon the legal convenience of the consequence?

I'm not denying any rights.

[St Leo]

Only Catholics should be allowed to marry. Letting Hindus and Jews marry dilutes the meaning of the word.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by pchang
What I really want is for marriage to be a religious thing and completely removed from the political arena. I want marriage laws to be rewritten in a gender neutral civil union type of way. That way, religions can say to gays "no, you cannot be married within our church", but gays would still get the same legal rights and benefits that married people get today (tax, insurance, decision making, survivor stuff, etc.).

Sounds like a very good Idea to me.
Let the Civil Union grant the full rights, which are nowadays granted by a marriage
and separate the Marriage in a church from this,
so that you aren´t entitled any rights from a marriage in church, but it is just a religious ceremony.

This way you could probably also solve a problem with Polygamy.

Allow people like Mormons and the like to have a religious marriage with as many people they want. But they are, as all other people, just allowed to form a civil union with one other person.
Maybe with one exception:
People with a religious marriage are considered relatives, regardless of wether they also form a Civil Union or not (important for visiting their partners in Hospital and the like).

But any financial advantages (taxes, insurances) are only granted by a Civil Union (which you, as I said, can only have with one person [regardless of wether he/she is of the same or of the opposite sex])

[St Leo]

Why do religious people get to steal the word "marriage" from normals? Why can't normal people keep "marriage" and religious folk invent a new word for the silliness?

[Proteus_MST]

I believe, because Marriages where first religious motivated.

To connect the purely religious marriage with some other Benefits besides receiving some kind of Blessing from God for the relationship, was something which evolved much later (at least I think so).

So Religions have the right of the Inventor, to claim the term "Marriages" for themselves.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
I believe, because Marriages where first religious motivated.

it was about property... women were seen as such

[Proteus_MST]

Are you sure?

After all there were probably a lot of Religions which had some form of marriage before the christians and jews and not all were patriarchates.
The Jewish or christian Religion probably just took the ritual of Marriage from other religions (and altered it for their own use), as they did with so much other things.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
Are you sure?

After all there were probably a lot of Religions which had some form of marriage before the christians and jews and not all were patriarchates.
The Jewish or christian Religion probably just took the ritual of Marriage from other religions (and altered it for their own use), as they did with so much other things.

that's what I've heard... in the end, I doubt anyone we could ever know for sure

[Ben Kenobi]

Why can't normal people keep "marriage" and religious folk invent a new word for the silliness?

So religious people are not normal?

Secondly, they've been doing marriages this way for a lot longer than any country. So if anything, the country should change before the religion.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
Are you sure?

Yes. Marriage originates in the enslavement of women in order to ensure that men can ensure their offsrping really are theirs. At some point, as with mst things, religion clouded up the real, practical origins of the institution, and made it dogma.

Both marriage and organized religion originated about the same time, the neolithic revolution.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So religious people are not normal?

Adults with imaginary friends are crazy and are not normal.

[Ben Kenobi]

women were seen as such

By European society? Might want to check that again. Marriages have been done for a long time.

[Ben Kenobi]

Adults with imaginary friends are crazy and are not normal.

Nothing imaginary about God.

Secondly, didn't you admit that 80% of the US is religious? Religion is the norm at least in American society.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nothing imaginary about God.

Secondly, didn't you admit that 80% of the US is religious? Religion is the norm at least in American society.

big deal, I put the amount of stupid people at about 95%... but don't feel bad, that means like 15% of the dopes are atheists.

[Aeson]

Stupid people comprise a full 100% of the population!