Religionists - If Your Deity Was Proven To Be Unreal, How Would You React?

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Elok
Lack of proof is useless when you're dealing with the concept of a theoretically omnipotent and omniscient being. You can't possibly second-guess someone whose motives you'll never understand. There's no absolute proof of God either. Believe or not.

We could also apply your rant here to the easter bunny, santa or a giant cosmic cucumber.

Because they are not any more unfeasible than the deity you have chosen to support.

And your attempts to sound high and mighty also come to naught, sir.

You are merely guessing, using fabricated fantasy to address some great
macro-being you hold up as a reason to egotise over whomever you imagine as heretics.

Originally posted by Elok Faith in an uncertainty is useful for salvation for many reasons, not least of which is that it encourages one to stop assuming one is the arbiter and judge of all truth, and thereby unclouds the eye of the soul.

Stop and read what you are saying.

I may as well try and convince you that Star Wars or Lord of the Rings is real, because that is how your grim intonements 'soul' and 'judge of all truth' sound to me.

Are you trying to convince me of something or are you really trying to sell me these fanciful ideas?

OK, prove there is a soul, and not a chemical mix in humanity.

Then come back and try hitting me with the sermon.

Originally posted by Elok And don't give me the usual jibber-jabber about primitive superstition and the triumph of science. Science is the investigation of natural phenomena. It has little if anything to do with the supernatural. The confusion of religion and science in the past is not an error commited by me in the present, AFAIK. Feel free to accuse others of "creation science" (Maybe you weren't even going to mention that to me, in which case my apologies. I was just trying to head off a rant before it happened).

Ehm.

Yes, well your rant has taken full bloom.

You are right, science is indeed the trial and error testing and subsequent inscription of all around us.

I am unsure of what you are trying to tell me here, but you are hideously off-topic, by any means.

Originally posted by Elok And if we do not die as frequently, our own spite and evil will merely drive us to living hell. I'll have to ask Ben, but I believe That Hideous Strength addressed the subject of eugenics/transhumanism at length.

Good for him.

But it matters not if it offends you, me or anyone, selective genetics and that it entails will eventually happen.
And the 'elites' of our society will take precedence, while the massed flock will be short lived.

I can imagine most religionists accepting that, as the use of science is an 'abomination' after all.

Now, I have indulged you.
Please stop dragging this off-topic.

Cheers!

[Ben Kenobi]

You can't possibly second-guess someone whose motives you'll never understand.

And that is precisely why I eat bacon when someone announces they have 'disproved' faith.

I'll have to ask Ben, but I believe That Hideous Strength addressed the subject of eugenics/transhumanism at length.

I don't believe I have read the book, although there have been several Christians writing on these topics.

[Ben Kenobi]

And the 'elites' of our society will take precedence, while the flock will be short lived.

And among which group do you belong? The flock or the elites?

[yavoon]

I would go insane and denounce all meaning in life, my hygiene would decline significantly and I'd become rude and abrupt w/ ppl I met on the street.

after a sufficient amount of self pity and woe I would turn to a life of crime.

u?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Kill annoying trolls that start threads that start with the Word Religionists in the title very painfully.

curt--
Seriously, stop trolling people based on religious belief. It makes you look like a complete jackass.

[lord of the mark]

oh, and a pizza with "everything" on it. Though i suppose id have to work up to that first.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And that is precisely why I eat bacon when someone announces they have 'disproved' faith.

Basically akin to a ten-year-old covering his ears and yelling "I don't want to hear!"...

I tend also to scoff at sanctimonious types who are prone to loud announcements.

And those who smugly think they are the fount of all theological wisdom...

Ho-hum.

[Elok]

Gah. I am not trying to "sell" you anything, except that you are being just as narrow-minded and vindictive as the stereotyped creationists you make fun of. I commented on the use of faith as one hypothetical answer to the question of "why wouldn't god just wave and say hi?" that always gets asked.

By "judge of all truth" I'm referring to the ugly-atheist attitude you're copping right now-the ridicule of an old set of blindly-swallowed beliefs in favor of a new set of blindly-swallowed pseudobeliefs grounded in a perversion of existentialist philosophy that indulges man's desire for security just as much as the religion it mocks. The religious man feels snug in his certainty of God, whereas the atheist feels happy that, whatever happens, he will be able to look down his nose at the religious man, being Superior Modern Man.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Guynemer





curt--
Seriously, stop trolling people based on religious belief. It makes you look like a complete jackass.

Trolling?
Good grief.

I am not trolling posters here, I would not even consider that!

I am only reacting to posters who have a problem with any dissent from their ideas.

I am not out to offend.

[Ben Kenobi]

ten-year-old covering his ears and yelling "I don't want to hear!"...

People 'disproving' faith is nothing new under the sun. Now, if they had legitimate arguments, I would actually have to stop eating my bacon and do some real work.

Rhetoric just makes me even hungrier for bacon.

/me gobbles another slice

It really is delicious. Do you want some curtsibling?

[Tripledoc]

I have another question for religious people.

During the Holocaust there was a case of a group of Jews who led by their Rabbi decided to put God on trial. I think he/she/it was found guilty.

So my question is two fold.
Do you think this is within the faith, to put God on trial?
Would your religious beliefs be challanged if you were put into a concentration camp?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Oh and Occam's razor is a decidedly crappy argument because one does not know the definition of 'simpler'. Just look at fundamental physics - introducing supersymmetry for example doubles the number of particles we have, so by your criterion should be thrown out. But all string theories need supersymmetry, so if string theory is right (and it is very elegant), then supersymmetry is right too.

We are not in the position to say whether or not a universe without God is simpler or not, so we cannot use Occam's razor.

Thus, you would have no problem with me claiming that there are undetectable green elves dancing on electrons?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Bullsh*t Skywalker and you know it. You cannot make an assumption and then use it to subsequently prove the assumption.

Edit: Hey - there is no autocensor of bullsh*t! Added my own * for the kiddies.

My argument was not circular in any way.

[lord of the mark]

Or how about ham and eggs - or better yet sausage and eggs - on the other hand chicken sausage is kinda fashionable with the foodies anyway - but less available than pork.

[curtsibling]

@Elok:

I see I hit a nerve.

One flaw in your painstakingly well-worded attack.

Pray tell at what point did I label myself the 'modern man' or even an 'atheist.'

And for your info, I am not about to accept your deeply flawed ideas of a macro-deity, based on your concerns for 'good taste' or pleasing the sensitive.

Neither am I about to change my tune to suit the massed flock. I merely asked a question, albeit a hypothetical one.
It seems that only 60% of the posters can actually understand plain English and answer the actual question.

Should I change to Pidgin English to make live easier?

Also!
You outrageously chide me for thinking I am superior, while the average religionist calls
the whole damned world sinful, and judges all on their narrow ideas of faith.

The hypocrisy is almost tangible, I'm sad to report.