Florida courts: "You gay people can't adopt children"

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Asher
Stewie's just one of those people who constantly brings down gay people, then goes home at night with older men, only to feel ashamed after and come to post on Poly slandering gays...

No YOU go home with older men, and should be ashamed of yourself!

[Asher]

You're not that much older.

[Deity Dude]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Nope, it's just something I saw somewhere over the years.

That sounds real reliable

There is a difference between a member of an oppressed minority being raised by someone who has no experience dealing with those issues and a member of an oppressed minority raising a child who doesn't have to deal with those issues. Gay parents would be able to help a gay child deal with the experienes of growing up gay far better than straight parents would, but they would be equaly capable of raising straight kids, since most likely they themselves were raised by straight people in the straight community.

Skin color can not be "taught" nor is it a behavior. What you really mean is you want to perpetuate your brand of racism for another generation which pits people against each other based on skin color.

God forbid a black child not inherit your pessimistic outlook towards race relations and God forbid a white child not share your guilt.

Homosexuality is a behavior. I am told homosexuals don't have a choice in thier orientation. I am sure this is true in some cases and not true in others. It sounds a little prejudiced to me to say "all homosexuals ....."

Whether or not they have a choice isn't the issue though. (What I am about to say is gonna sound like gay bashing but it really isn't.) Adoption agencies and society have a right to decide what sort of behavior patterns they want a child's prospective parents to have.

Some thieves are cleptomaniacs (they have no control over thier behavior) other thieves do it because they choose to be. Now I am not making a moral comparison to homosexuality and thievery. My point is it doesn't matter whether or not someone has a choice about thier behavior pattern. It is the behavior itself.

It also isn't a question of whether homosexuality is moral or not If a child's parents were Lion tamers, society might say that might not be the best environment for a child to grow up in and at the same time not be "Lion-tamer" bashing. A more realistic example might be if the prospective parents were homeless. I doubt that they would be allowed to adopt children but there is nothing immoral about being homeless.

The studies which show children do best raised in a family with a mother and father were looking at two-parent v. one-parent families. Obviously a children will do better in a familiy with a provider and a care giver.

Again I want to see the study. Parents offer alot more then just being a caregiver and provider. If you haven't noticed most 2-parent families nowadays have 2 providers and 2 caregivers.

A mother and father can provide alot more to a child then a father and father or a mother and mother can.

In summary, I know where I stand on inter-racial adoptions - No problem as long as the parents are qualified. As for homosexual adoptions - I am undecided because I havn't yet decided in mind if homosexuality, for whatever reason, is a disqualifying behavior for raising a child. PLEASE NOTE - I SAID I WAS UNDECIDED.

[Solly]

My problem at the moment is going home with older women.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Deity Dude


Some thieves are cleptomaniacs (they have no control over thier behavior) other thieves do it because they choose to be. Now I am not making a moral comparison to homosexuality and thievery. My point is it doesn't matter whether or not someone has a choice about thier behavior pattern. It is the behavior itself.

I really cannot take any opposing argument seriously, that uses criminal behavior, alcoholism, nicotine addiction, pedophilia, or dope abuse as "legitimate" analogies when discussing sexual orientation.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Park Avenue


We're not allowed to say anything that goes against the gay lobby here at Apolyton, so have to resort to using smileys in order to avoid an unjust banning.

Let's just be glad this forum isn't representative of real life, or what a mess we'd really be in.

Right -- because we queers have a leash on the moderators here -- don't we Ming?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun


Right -- because we queers have a leash on the moderators here -- don't we Ming?

Well you are a bunch of Queens.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Deity Dude

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Nope, it's just something I saw somewhere over the years.

That sounds real reliable

*****, *****, *****.

There is a difference between a member of an oppressed minority being raised by someone who has no experience dealing with those issues and a member of an oppressed minority raising a child who doesn't have to deal with those issues. Gay parents would be able to help a gay child deal with the experienes of growing up gay far better than straight parents would, but they would be equaly capable of raising straight kids, since most likely they themselves were raised by straight people in the straight community.

Skin color can not be "taught" nor is it a behavior.

In case you hadn't noticed, Black people and white people have different cultures. Being Black or being Italian or being Irish or being suburban American is something that is taught.

What you really mean is you want to perpetuate your brand of racism for another generation which pits people against each other based on skin color.

Yeah, that's what I want.

God forbid a black child not inherit your pessimistic outlook towards race relations and God forbid a white child not share your guilt.

I wasn't aware that white parents were teaching their children to feel guilty. Nor are Black children taught to be pessimistic about race relations by their parents. Where do you come up with such things? Black people become pessimistic about dealing with white people by dealing with white people. Black parents are going to be better able to talk to their children about dealing with racism than people who've never experienced it.

Homosexuality is a behavior.

Homosexuality is an orientation. It is who you are attracted to (which is rarely a choice). It is who you feel complete with. The baehavior is a consequence of this.

I am told homosexuals don't have a choice in thier orientation. I am sure this is true in some cases and not true in others.

I've never met a gay man who chose to be gay. I've never even heard of a gay man who chose to be gay. I know one woman who made a choice to be a lesbian, but that was after she was raped and she didn't want to have anything sexually to do with men after that.

The studies which show children do best raised in a family with a mother and father were looking at two-parent v. one-parent families. Obviously a children will do better in a familiy with a provider and a care giver.

Again I want to see the study. Parents offer alot more then just being a caregiver and provider. If you haven't noticed most 2-parent families nowadays have 2 providers and 2 caregivers.

Actually, most families these days have two providers and no caregivers, unless the parents work split shifts, and they never get to see each other except when sleeping. Fortunately television is here to raise our kids for us.

A mother and father can provide alot more to a child then a father and father or a mother and mother can.

Why is that? On what evidence do you base this assertion?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
We're not allowed to say anything that goes against the gay lobby here at Apolyton, so have to resort to using smileys in order to avoid an unjust banning.

Seeing as you were permabanned, no banning for you is "unjust".

[Agathon]

Of course they can't, everyone knows they're Godless perverts. WTH is wrong with you?

[Ben Kenobi]

Aside from issues of teasing on the playground, these gay and lesbian adoptive parents seem concerned about their ability to provide appropriate gender role models for their adoptive children

Why does an organisation such as Big Brothers and Big Sisters exist?

If there are married couples willing to adopt, they should be given preference for this reason.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Park Avenue

We're not allowed to say anything that goes against the gay lobby here at Apolyton, so have to resort to using smileys in order to avoid an unjust banning.

Nope - it's only you that's gagged.

[Berzerker]

It's to see leftists claiming the state should not discriminate against people (homosexuals) and should treat us all equally when they constantly advocate discrimination on a variety of issues. Take a look at the tax code before complaining about discrimination, folks.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Berzerker
It's to see leftists claiming the state should not discriminate against people (homosexuals) and should treat us all equally when they constantly advocate discrimination on a variety of issues. Take a look at the tax code before complaining about discrimination, folks.

Don't be stupid. If you have any rule you are doing to discriminate against someone. It's only wrongful discrimination that is objectionable, and people disagree about what counts.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Agathon

It's only wrongful discrimination that is objectionable, and people disagree about what counts.

?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHA whatever you say; champion of justice. Apparently taking differing proportions of money from citizens for the same system offered in return is somehow "rightful"

Don't even get the right started on "rightful" discrimination against white hetero males. Gee - there's just too many of them out there succeeding, so something had to be done!