Does the "average American" agree with Michael Moore?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
They do in the US.

Please cite an instance where a student has been punished for praying in a public school. We prayed in my school and even had a convocation for graduation (in the interest of full disclosure I will note that for younger students we had a blatent violation of the Constitution whereby part of our class time each week was allowed to be used for religious instruction by our churches outside the school, we got bussed to our churches and then brought back to school. It may be that my public school system was more religious than most. BTW, it was as a result of this that I became a Christian in the first place.)

If it happens in the middle of a football game on the 50 yard line, yeah. If it happens in your bedroom how would they know about it? But that doesn't just apply to gay sex.

It was Christians who opposed the SCOTUS' ruling against soddomy laws. This is private consentual behavior. No one is arguing for the right to have sex in public, so pleas take this strawman elsewhere.

Yes. What's your point?

My marriage is none of your business. You people had no right to make it more difficult and more expensive to get. I'm still pissed about that.

No. That's an individual choice.

While you may say that, there are Christians who do not believe in such a "liberal" attitude. Furthermore, y'all are fighting to keep the words "under God" in the PoA. If my children are forced to say the PoA, they will be forced to profess a belief in a deity. That is not a matter of individual choice.

No, put Christians are being harrassed if they try to take a moment for themselves.

Organized school prayer is illegal. Taking a moment for yourself is not. Forcing every kid in school to take a "moment of reflection" is simply forcing kids to pray by the back door.

No. But if Christians are forced to be indoctrinated with Religious Evolution it only seems fair to have equal time.

There's no such thing as Religious Evolution. Since yuo think kids should equal time for religous instruction and science, do you think kids should also be nistructed that math is complete BS?

No. Christians learn about these too.

Actually, they can opt out with parental permission. That doesn't change the fact that Christians tried to keep SexEd out of schools, have tried to get it removed, and have no resorted to "abstinence-only" programs which tell blatent lies such as "Condom don't work." That last lie is being taught at the public schools in the high school's in my city, by a faith-based, i.e., Christian, abstinence-only group.

Ditto from the Christians.

Secularists don't force any false or ostensibly otherwise down anyone's throats.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
There's no such thing as Religious Evolution.

Secularists don't force any false or ostensibly otherwise down anyone's throats.

Since these comments are basically related to the same thing.

Evolution is the alteration of things over time. Humans have gotten bigger, fish adapt, but Humans are still Humans and fish are still fish.

Religious Evolution is a theory that has never been proven like the Big Bang has never been proven. In theory religious fanatics of Religious Evolution believe frogs become monkeys, worms become dogs, and McDonald's food is nutrionally healthy.

Of note is the fact that the same community that worships Religious Evolution and the Big Bang are the same community that previously brought us "the World is Flat", "the Moon is a big piece of cheese," and "if you go faster than the speed of light you will go back in time" All of which have been proven to be wrong.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
and McDonald's food is nutrionally healthy.

Oy! No fair pinching a joke of mine from another thread!


And you're still off your rocker.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Guynemer


Oy! No fair pinching a joke of mine from another thread!


And you're still off your rocker.

Just don't vote for me in the village of death.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Religious Evolution is a theory that has never been proven like the Big Bang has never been proven. In theory religious fanatics of Religious Evolution believe frogs become monkeys, worms become dogs, and McDonald's food is nutrionally healthy.

The religous evolution is the product of the Christian right, and has nothing to do with the theory of evolution which is taught in schools.

Of note is the fact that the same community that worships Religious Evolution and the Big Bang are the same community that previously brought us "the World is Flat", "the Moon is a big piece of cheese," and "if you go faster than the speed of light you will go back in time"

This is true (except the last one) in that they are all former tennents of Christianity. The last one could not be proven wrong, since, to date, we haven't discovered anything which can exceed the speed of light.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb



Religious Evolution is a theory that has never been proven

Of note is the fact that the same community that worships Religious Evolution and the Big Bang .....

A community that worships a theory?

I believe you mean Reaganomics and the Republicans, don't you?

High Priest and Evangelist, St. Milton the Friedman of the Chicago (Devout) School, who paved the way for the only begotten Son of Monetarism, St. Ronald of the Tax Break.

As opposed to the heretics of the Bush Fire League, who wantonly defiled the glorious creed as 'voodoo economics'.

Damn splitters.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

No. But if Christians are forced to be indoctrinated with Religious Evolution it only seems fair to have equal time.

When you say 'religious evolution' I think Teilhard de Chardin and Sri Aurobindo. But I take it you are thinking of something else?

[Ben Kenobi]

chegitz:

Irrelevent. If they were trying to stamp out Christianity in Canada, they'd become a republic and no longer recongize the Queen.

Why bother? Like I said, she's a fine lass, but not politically significant.

Good for them. Have they forced you to stop going to church?

You seem to assume that there are all Christians.

I doubt that. More like, you can't force others to participate.

Sure you do. Anytime someone who is Christian says that he votes by what he believes, you get all these tropes about the Pope intervening in Canadian politics. Why should we hassle a Christian for standing up for what he believes, and not an atheist?

Yes, it is the issue. No one is forcing you Christians to stop being Christian. No one is forcing you to live by their ways. If you dno't want an abortion, you aren't required to get one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, you don't have to marry a man.

Don't like slavery, don't own a slave.

On the other hand, Christians want to take away our right to have abortions.

On the grounds that it is murder.

Christians want to take away our right to use contraception (even if all dont't, some do).

Do they now? I don't remember any calls by the Catholic church to change the laws of the country to ban contraceptives.

Christians want to outlaw gay sex.

Same as above. Impossible to regulate private conduct.

Christians want to make marriages harder to get and harder to dissolve.

And what is wrong with this? If you believe marriage ought to last until death do you part, then you want young people to consider their actions before jumping in with both feet. Seems quite reasonable to me.

Christians want to penalize sex outside marriage.

By legislation?

Christians want to force my children to profess a belief in a diety in school.

Again, by legislation? I would rather let people come to faith on their own.

Christians want to force my kids to have to have a moment to pray in school.

So a quiet moment is the equivalent of prayer? Hardly. You can have a quiet moment without having to pray. Consider it a moment to slow down your day.

Christians want to force my kids to have to take "creation science."

So evolution is gospel truth? I think it should be left for university students who will actually apply the theories. That way you don't have to waste time and money on such political matters.

Christians want to keep my kids from being able to learn sex education.

So abstinence education does not count? I find that a peculiar bias. It will work much better than the current education, which does not seem to work very well at all.

I don't have any kids, but I will, and I don't want you people telling me how to raise them and forcing your false God down their throats.

Very well. However, your right to be free from religious trappings does not supercede their right to freedom to practice their religion.

Ever hear of Elsie Wayne?

A recently retired firebrand for the Progressive Conservative party. I wish there were more MPs who refused to buy the notion that they have to check their faith at the door of the legislature.

[Ben Kenobi]

Che:

You remember the quote from Laz and the Gimp... that you are fated to spawn an army of God botherers? Why fight your destiny?

[Ted Striker]

Michael Moore is annoying as hell

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by molly bloom High Priest and Evangelist, St. Milton the Friedman of the Chicago (Devout) School, who paved the way for the only begotten Son of Monetarism, St. Ronald of the Tax Break.

Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist from the University of Chicago, was responsible for introducing income tax withholding.

George Stigler, Nobel Prize winning economist from the University of Chicago, refused an invitation to Reagan's White House because he could not put up with Arthur Laffer's bogus tax cut theories.

Robert Lucas, Nobel Prize winning economist from the University of Chicago, ripped Laffer's theories up one side and down the other at a major economics conereence (I was in the audience). His comments were widely quoted in the press.

Please do try to keep up.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Adam Smith

Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist from the University of Chicago, was responsible for introducing income tax withholding.

I thought that was Woodrow Wilson.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Income tax WITHHOLDING, not Income tax, Kid.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Income tax WITHHOLDING, not Income tax, Kid.

I knew that

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
(regarding QE II, Sik)

She's a bonny lass, but a rubber stamp. How will she have any effect on public policy?

I thought she was a postage stamp.