CanPol Thread: the United Right etc.

[KrazyHorse]

Remember when I said that PCers might even flee to the NDP rather than vote for a party which is dominated by Refffffoooooorrrrrmmm?

So. Friggin. Sweet.

The NDP now polls far and away as the second party in Canada.



Oh my God. I'm about *bleep* in my pants.

Thank you, United Right. Thank you.

They have less support than the PC alone did!

[KrazyHorse]

"This new party is maybe a lot more the Alliance than the Progressive Conservatives," said Larocque.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/12/02/cbc_poll031202

[Uncle Sparky]

Paul Martin is the most right wing leader the Liberals have had in over 50 years. Many people on the left of the Liberal Party will move to the NDP once Martin starts rolling back and cancelling progresive legislation.

... and remember the right isn't united yet... it still has a couple of weeks to self destruct !

[KrazyHorse]

With those poll numbers I hope they stay united. But maybe another breakup will make them look so ridiculous that they'll be left with even less support than now.

Man, what we need to do now is get a party to the left of the NDP. That way I can feel good voting for them and people will see the new party as the left-wing crackpots, so they'll be comfortable voting for the NDP.

[Urban Ranger]

Start the CCP, or Canadian Communist Party, then

[KrazyHorse]

I mean one that we can fool people into voting for.

Maybe we'll stage a takeover of the Greens and get rid of most of their eco-crap platform.

[KrazyHorse]

Bump. I'm assuming none of the Albertans have seen this yet.

[Garth Vader]

Now that Asher's not here I guess not.

Cool about the NDP, but then I am from commie land!

[Richelieu]

Lets give it some time. Either the Centre Right will overtake the new party... or they'll just move to the new Libs.

" And at 8:00:01, CBC predicts a majority Liberal government... well... make that...actually we predict a unanimous Liberal government."

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
Paul Martin is the most right wing leader the Liberals have had in over 50 years. Many people on the left of the Liberal Party will move to the NDP once Martin starts rolling back and cancelling progresive legislation.

... and remember the right isn't united yet... it still has a couple of weeks to self destruct !

and if iiuc Martin is far less "left" on foreign policy (including Iraq) than Chretien was.

[Ben Kenobi]

Martin a right-winger? He'll be no different from Chretien.

Enjoy your circle jerk while it lasts.

Given the fact that the current Right wing party has not gotten together, and is still formulating policy, I'm quite suspicious as to the timing of this poll.

As for Liberal support shifting to the NDP, I think that the only thing we see is the support for the Bloq going to the new NDP party. Liberals have always been around 55%.

More than 10% undecided, prolly all belong to the conservatives waiting to see what this new party looks like.

I'd rather be leading at election time rather than 6 months before.

So, to stand by my words, I'll be willing to take an avatar bet with anyone of you that the new united conservatives will gain more seats than the moribund NDP party come election time.

[cinch]

Originally posted by Richelieu
" And at 8:00:01, CBC predicts a majority Liberal government... well... make that...actually we predict a unanimous Liberal government."

[techumseh]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Bump. I'm assuming none of the Albertans have seen this yet.

Just saw it and couldn't be happier! I guess most of the Canucks here are lefties?

[cinch]

I wasn't sure this was actually going to unfold this way, but it's interesting that it did, because it's basically what happened to me, personally.

As you may or may not know, I am of the age that the next federal election will be my first voting opportunity. I've been putting a lot of thought into it for a while now, and I had been leaning towards the PC-Red-Tory ideology of centrist-economics & left-wing-social-views for some time.

However, I'm very, very unlikely to vote for this new Conservative Party.

Now, I'm not THAT left-wing, so voting for the NDP makes me a little uncomfortable... my heart's not really in it.

That leaves... the Liberals. Good God, I'd rather shoot myself. I mean, I don't rag on Cretch as much as most of my provincemates, but even I can see that the party has become bloated and corrupt.

And Paul Martin is no saviour. He's twice as fake as Chretien, and not half as fun. He flip-flops like any politician du jour. Throw in his shady, to say the least, corporate connections, and I get a little woozy about the whole idea.

Still, I may be forced to vote for McLellan (she is running again, right?), just to attempt to ensure the Cons don't steal my riding.

[cinch]

Originally posted by techumseh
I guess most of the Canucks here are lefties?

Don't know if I'd got that far.

There's always the trifecta of BenKenobi, Asher, and, to a lesser extent, NYE. Correct me if I'm pigeonholing, fellas, but believe that my intentions be well-meaning.

And, of course, I don't really consider myself to be a "lefty", per se...