Russia pulls out of Kyoto - What is the future of the Protocol?

[laurentius]

Well I guess you dont really care that your neighbourgs have to pick the bill for your ignorance

[laurentius]

Originally posted by rah
All of corporate America is not run by people that steal.

I'm not saying that. The thing just is that they shouldnt have too much influence over enviromental or "soft" issues, because they are not working for the intrest of the people, not even their own workers, but for the intrest of the shareholders, the company or just themselves.

You take a handfull of stories that you've seen and paint them all dirty. You have quite the distorted outlook.

Who needs zillion stories when the 100 are big enough already. You talk your one of the executives golfing all day

[laurentius]

Originally posted by rah
Yes, the minimum security country club prisons are full of white collar criminals. But feel free to ignore simple things like FACTS.

The FACT is that the US pulled out of the treaty because of economical reasons. The fact is that the Bush administration just doesnt respect any international treaty to be made or that have been made decades ago.

It is like a classroom. The US is like the best pupil that turns into puberty, becoming a big fat man who can beat anybody. He knows this. So one day he simply says that he is not going to play by the rules anymore. So what happens then? The good guys are a little ashamed and confused. But the other airheads(russia) follow the big fat guys example. At the end nobody respects the rules anymore and in this example eventually the whole class is going to be shipped to an island and to start a game called Battle Royale.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by laurentius
Well I guess you dont really care that your neighbourgs have to pick the bill for your ignorance

Even from the ecological point of view, there are more pressing and realistic issues to deal with. The Kyoto issue is too far-fetched and costy.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by aaglo
Ogie,
they who know better should tell the third world. In fact, they should act as an example.

And somebody has to take the first step. It's a very poor excuse saying "because nobody else does it, why should we".

And in the end, it's the money that affects these decisions.

Come on get real. Multinationals will go where it makes the most sense to produce cheapest and this usually means where costs of transporting goods is offset by cheaper labor and less regulatory costs. It only encourages more productions in countries less likely to curb their pollution. Hence the treaty makes a global situation worse taking productions out of countries using a modicum of polllution control.

Has nothing to do with governments and yes everything to do with money.

[Berzerker]

Russia pulls out of Kioto - What is the future of the Protocol?

DOA - Thank God!

[DaShi]

Originally posted by JohnT
Tennessee doesn't, for the record.

I remember having to get biyearly emissions tests in Tennessee as well as having to shell out $70 for registration every 2 years as well.

[rah]

Originally posted by laurentius
It is like a classroom. The US is like the best pupil that turns into puberty, becoming a big fat man who can beat anybody.

Yes, quite disturbing outlook.

[laurentius]

HAR HAR Mr.

[Enigma_Nova]

Originally posted by Japher
Do you not like living in a house compared to a cave, reading by electric lights instead of candles, having warmth to fight of the cold, being able to travel 1000s of miles within a day, amongst all the other countless luxuries you have?

Aside from the many miles thing...
Yes Greed is a constant, and that stuff sounds good, but it's not as unidimensional as you make it seem.
Perhaps not all of us want an SUV today and a flooded house tomorrrow.

It really sickens me when I see a "hippie" in manufactured clothes skimming a paper at a Starbucks just before they get in their car to go up to Wilits to protest, then head back to their manufactured home, flip on a light switch eat some soup from a can and turn in under the roar of an electric furnace...

And you... watch all of this. Does this not make you a stalker?

The sight of the future is not in the hands of conservation, but in the trust of innovation.

The Future ideally lies not with the spouting of propagandic bull**** (but practically is based on it )
EDIT: Stupid friggin smileys

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by laurentius


The FACT is that the US pulled out of the treaty because of economical reasons. The fact is that the Bush administration just doesnt respect any international treaty to be made or that have been made decades ago.

It is like a classroom. The US is like the best pupil that turns into puberty, becoming a big fat man who can beat anybody. He knows this. So one day he simply says that he is not going to play by the rules anymore. So what happens then? The good guys are a little ashamed and confused. But the other airheads(russia) follow the big fat guys example. At the end nobody respects the rules anymore and in this example eventually the whole class is going to be shipped to an island and to start a game called Battle Royale.

no

we just do not do things that are not in our best interest

the US government thought so during Clinton's Administration, and thinks so now

I mean, it would benefit the world if the US gave all the nations of the world free money

but it sure wouldn't benefit the US any, and it would be right for us to not be a part of that international treaty

similiarly with Kyoto

Jon Miller

[rah]

The problem is that the rest of the world thinks we should give them all free money, so your line of reasoning won't even register with them.

[Ned]

I wonder why the left only bashes "corporate America?" Don't corporations everywhere look out for the interests of their stockholders over the interests of the public at large?

As for corruption, according to our Chinese posters here, corruption in China is real and is a major problem. It barely exists in America and is not a major problem.

[rah]

Yes, a couple of years ago, our company was bought out by an overseas corporation, and they've shown themselves to be equally, if not worse in terms of corporate greed and corruption. They've even stopped some of the recycling initiatives that were in place due to costs.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Once again the eco-left dreamers fail to understand real world consequences and expect treaties and government regulation to fix everything.