Russia pulls out of Kyoto - What is the future of the Protocol?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by DanS
I don't think Kyoto ever had the majority support of the people of the US. Because of this, it was never going to be ratified.

The USA senate, in a non binding resolation, rejected its key provisions, 99 to 0, before it was even finalized. You think that would have given the negotiators a clue, but nooooo. Clinton never even submited it for ratification becasue it was DOA before it got here. He only signed it as a lying PR stunt. He lied to the rest of the world suggesting there was any hope for it in the USA.

[Ned]

Originally posted by laurentius

Doesnt help it in anyway? WTF? I thought you were somekind of leftist? Left parties tend to care about the good of the people not just the big factories. You certainly dont seem to care whether an average russian dies in the age of 45 to one of the numerous lung-related diseases so common there. Off course it is in the Russian intrests, the problem just is that neither the US or the Russian government actuallu care about the good for their people. Thats wy I call them morally corrupt.

1) Kyoto deals with greenhouse gasses, not the ones that cause lung diseases.

2) Warming helps Russia in numerous ways. Russia will be among the greatest beneficiaries of warmer temperatures. It's agriculture will boom. So how does not signing the treaty hurt the people of Russia?

[JohnT]

My thesis is that governments are here primarly to serve the people not the corporations.

And corporations are comprised of, and get their "directions" from.... oh, yeah. People.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by JohnT

My thesis is that governments are here primarly to serve the people not the corporations.

And corporations are comprised of, and get their "directions" from.... oh, yeah. People.

Yeah you are right even the two executives at the top who steal hundreds of millions in options and shares are...eventually humans

[JohnT]

And of course all corporations survive with crooked executives - thrive even. Just ask Enron, Global Crossing, MCI/WorldCom, etc. Hell the only way you can survive with crooked executives is if the government wants you to - just ask Lockheed. Oh, yeah - they don't exist anymore either, other than a division of Martin-Marietta.

[laurentius]

Ok, well tell me how many executives from those companies are in jail? My guess is none. And why are these things popping up all the time?

[Jon Miller]

hopefully now Kioto won't get pregnant

Jon Miller

[Lord Merciless]

Finland could definitely need some warmings.

[rah]

Originally posted by laurentius
Yeah you are right even the two executives at the top who steal hundreds of millions in options and shares are...eventually humans

Your generalizations of the US are quite laughable.
All of corporate America is not run by people that steal.
You take a handfull of stories that you've seen and paint them all dirty. You have quite the distorted outlook.

[aaglo]

Originally posted by rah
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You take a handfull of stories that you've seen and paint them all dirty. You have quite the distorted outlook.

But what if that handful is responsible for all that Laurentius is talking about?

[rah]

Yes, all of corporate america is run by the same two people (Or handfull) .

This isn't Finland.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by aaglo


But what if that handful is responsible for all that Laurentius is talking about?

Is there something about Nokia you aren't telling us?

[Pekka]

Leave Nokia out of this They are beautiful.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by laurentius
Ok, well tell me how many executives from those companies are in jail? My guess is none. And why are these things popping up all the time?

Your guess would be wrong, but god forbid you should look it up. I believe the first Enron conviction occurred within the past couple of months, and more are to come. Cases of high-level theft are hard to unravel and difficult to explain to (grand) juries, but they do get done. Hell, even Michael Milken got fined $1.2 billion, his firm got RICO'd (and another $1+ billion fine) and bankrupted, all on a mere 4 convictions involving a fraud that comparably, given the scale of Milkens legitimate businesses, was about the amount of the loose change you'll find underneath your sofa.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

1) Big Corporations haven't hijacked America, they founded it.

2) In America, it IS the governments primary job to look after and foster the Big Corporations.

We call it Capitalism.