Newsflash: CNN declares Arnold new CA Gov

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
Arnie takes office once the election is certified. First the counties have to certify, then the Sec. State. Counties have 25 days to certify. The whole process must be done in 39 days.

Arnie's people are talking about taking power in two weeks. Gray Davis said he would leave office in "several weeks." Jesse Jackson, though, was talking "disenfranchisement" and "lawsuit." He may lead an effort to raise court challenges in some counties, or demand recounts, in order to block certification as long as possible.

Just let me say that if the Dem's do that, it will create even further anger against their party in the state.

As to next year, if Arnie does well, Bush could carry "Kali"-fornia.

The Dem voters in California have long made up their minds about Jesse Jackson, one way or another. Any lawsuit isn't going to affect the party at all.

Arnie is extremely popular because he is very pro-business and pro-jobs while having no social-conservative baggage. If Bush learns from Arnie and adopts the same approach, he could win here.

Certainly the Republican party would do better in many states if it moderated it's social conservative policies. But that ain't gonna happen until there's a fundamental change in the GOP's internal balance of power, so it sure ain't gonna happen for Bush in 2004.

It's gonna be "it's the economy, stupid," all over again.

[pchang]

70% voter turnout

I have never seen voter turnout this high. Whatever one might have thought about the recall, the high voter turnout is a good thing. Perhaps all elections should be recalls. It was also the most choice I have ever had in a general election. Primaries should be abolished.

[Datajack Franit]

Eat this Democrats!

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Ned
K, yes, verily. I think people know that if you have no business you have no jobs. The Democrat party has a reputation for being anti-business.

'Pro-jobs' is a pointless term, it's quite a lot like 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice' in the debate about abortions. Eupheonisms shouldn't really be used to describe a policy or ideology. That's propaganda.

[Japher]

Nex step state senate...

[Jack_www]

Have they counted the absentee ballots yet?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Hmmm, I remember certain people saying Arnie would never win and Bustamante was a done deal .

Anyway, it's interesting to see that Schwartzenegger got almost 50% of the vote with McClintock getting 13%. I'm thinking Cruz was tarred with the brush of Davis.

Gore and the vast right wing conspiracy, more than Davis himself.

Davis and the Cali Dem party proved once again that the Democratic party leadership knows how to self-destruct better than any political party in the world.

If you followed the poll numbers daily, the support for the recal and Bustamante's position vis-a-vis Arnie moved inversely in proportion to the volume of Davis' campaign spiel.

When Davis was shufflin' and rolling his eyes and pawin' the ground at those town hall meetings, saying "I's sorry, nex' time I gwine listen to y'all fo' sho'" support for the recall went down sharply, and Bustamante polled 5 points or so ahead of Arnie.

When the Dem Party elites got together and decided let's bring out Al Gore and Feinstein and Clinton and every other big name we can buy, and all claim "IT'S A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY TO STEAL ELECTIONS THEY COULDN'T WIN" the voters got turned off en masse.

Once again, Davis refusing to accept responsibility.

Once again, Davis trying to shift blame to some remote out of state force

Once again, Davis proving he knew nothing and cared less about the concerns of California voters.

And because you had all the party machinery spewing out this line of BS, and basically insulting the intelligence of the voters (it's the economy, stupid), Bustamente decided not to buck the party establishment any further and stuck with this "no on the recall" crap instead of pushing himself away from the morons in the Democratic Party Oberkommando.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Primaries

Originally posted by pchang
Primaries should be abolished.

Primaries are the one tool the state and county party organization have to throttle real choice as to candidates.

[Ben Kenobi]

Kropotkin:

it's quite a lot like 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice' in the debate about abortions

Not at all. Both sides have clearly delineated ideologies.

'Pro-business' is much more squishy.

Ned:

To win here as a Republican, you really have to be at least in the middle on abortion and the environment, but have to hammer the pro-business, pro-job line.

Tell me how you sit the fence on abortion. I agree with most of your points, but to win in California, you have to be pro-abortion, nothing moderate about that.

What I am suggesting is that Arnold is the prototype for the Republican party's future. Conservative on fiscal affairs. Pro business. Pro jobs. Pro strong America. But moderate to liberal on social issues.

That would be the dream for the Democrats. Prolifers vote very solidly Republican, so there is very little cause for the Republicans to move to the left, when the left in most of the US does not rank abortion policy as a priority. It would only hurt the Republicans to follow Arnie's stance nationally.

[Jack_www]

MichaeltheGreat:
If the Dems were not so stupid they could have saved themselves this defeat. Oh well. Maybe next time they will learn.

On anter note. I sent by absentee ballot in the mail on Friday. Just hoped that it got there on time and will get counted.

[Japher]

Tell me how you sit the fence on abortion.

You say something like "I am pro-choice, but if it were my decision I would not encourage nor condone abortion acts. Every effort needs to be made to tackle the reasons why people may want to get an abortion and not the medical facilities the offer the treatment, or the cure..."

Or something...

[Ben Kenobi]

"I am pro-choice, but if it were my decision I would not encourage nor condone abortion acts. Every effort needs to be made to tackle the reasons why people may want to get an abortion and not the medical facilities the offer the treatment, or the cure..."

Sorry, you'd qualify as a staunch pro-abort. The key is the weasel words, 'if it were my decision.' If you really believed that abortions should not be done, you would not be pro-choice.

[pchang]

Absentees

They started counting absentee ballots as soon as they arrived. But, with the margins of victory this large, I don't really think a few votes either way will make any difference.

[Jack_www]

Re: Absentees

Originally posted by pchang
They started counting absentee ballots as soon as they arrived. But, with the margins of victory this large, I don't really think a few votes either way will make any difference.

I am hoping that this will add to the support of the recall and Arnold. My question had to do with the ballots that arived on election day, not the absentee ballots that came before the election day.

[Japher]

Those that arrive on the day are counted...

Yet, they know how many were issued, they know how many they received, and they probably know that it won't change the results... They will still be counted though.