Newsflash: CNN declares Arnold new CA Gov

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kropotkin

'Pro-jobs' is a pointless term, it's quite a lot like 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice' in the debate about abortions. Eupheonisms shouldn't really be used to describe a policy or ideology. That's propaganda.

Being pro-business and pro-jobs is shorthand for fiscal conservatism here in the US. Yes it is a form of propaganda, but all politicians use simple catch phrases to get their message out. It makes things simpler.

[Ned]

Re: Primaries

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Primaries are the one tool the state and county party organization have to throttle real choice as to candidates.

Yeah, and it really has not served the Republican party well. It produces candidates to far to the social-conservative right to win.

I too am thinking that perhaps we should abolish primaries.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Gore and the vast right wing conspiracy, more than Davis himself.

Davis and the Cali Dem party proved once again that the Democratic party leadership knows how to self-destruct better than any political party in the world.

If you followed the poll numbers daily, the support for the recal and Bustamante's position vis-a-vis Arnie moved inversely in proportion to the volume of Davis' campaign spiel.

When Davis was shufflin' and rolling his eyes and pawin' the ground at those town hall meetings, saying "I's sorry, nex' time I gwine listen to y'all fo' sho'" support for the recall went down sharply, and Bustamante polled 5 points or so ahead of Arnie.

When the Dem Party elites got together and decided let's bring out Al Gore and Feinstein and Clinton and every other big name we can buy, and all claim "IT'S A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY TO STEAL ELECTIONS THEY COULDN'T WIN" the voters got turned off en masse.

Once again, Davis refusing to accept responsibility.

Once again, Davis trying to shift blame to some remote out of state force

Once again, Davis proving he knew nothing and cared less about the concerns of California voters.

And because you had all the party machinery spewing out this line of BS, and basically insulting the intelligence of the voters (it's the economy, stupid), Bustamente decided not to buck the party establishment any further and stuck with this "no on the recall" crap instead of pushing himself away from the morons in the Democratic Party Oberkommando.

Good post. The people were seriously angry at Davis for misleading them on the budget just prior to the election last year. The only way he could have save his job is contritely confess to mistakes.

I wonder if the Democrat party establishment, centered in Clinton's New York combo living room, truly understood the anger of the people of California towards Davis.

[Jack_www]

YOu know that most of Northern California voted to keep Davis in office, while central and southern california voted to kick him out by large margin.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Ned:
Tell me how you sit the fence on abortion. I agree with most of your points, but to win in California, you have to be pro-abortion, nothing moderate about that.

Moderate:

1) Roe v. Wade, yes. It is a women's right to privacy.
2) Late term abortions, no.
3) Personally against abortions.

[Ben Kenobi]

1) Roe v. Wade, yes. It is a women's right to privacy.
2) Late term abortions, no.
3) Personally against abortions.

I don't know a pro-abort who does not believe in one or two.

And I already dealt with three, so no dice.

[SlowwHand]

I was pulling for Mary Carey.

[Ned]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I was pulling for Mary Carey.

I can't imagine why.

[Jack_www]

EDIT:
I found the information for the voter turn out. It was not so high as everyone thought. Only 8,212,980 people voted and that is out of 15,380,536. That is about a 53.3% voter turn out.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Ben, I simply do not understand the position that abortion must be the subject of government regulation and prohibition or else you are on the hard left. We have a balancing of rights with abortion, with the right to life contesting with the right to privacy. Extremists emphasize one or the other. Moderates recognize the contest of rights and try to balance the two.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I was pulling for Mary Carey.

She did get 9,919 votes.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Jack_www
EDIT:
I found the information for the voter turn out. It was not so high as everyone thought. Only 8,212,980 people voted and that is out of 15,380,536. That is about a 53.3% voter turn out.

Well, maybe Jesse Jackson was right that the minority voter was disenfranchised by moving the polling places to different locations and by printing the new locations on the sample ballots mailed to voters.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Jack_www


She did get 9,919 votes.

And, apparently, a lot more pulls.

[pchang]

Voter Turnout

Originally posted by Ned


Well, maybe Jesse Jackson was right that the minority voter was disenfranchised by moving the polling places to different locations and by printing the new locations on the sample ballots mailed to voters.

Even 53.3% was much larger than the last election.

[Shi Huangdi]

MtG: About possible efforts to gun for Boxer in 2004.. You said you doubt the GOP would want to make a big effort to go after her, but didn't you make the same argument doubting Arnold's chances in this election saying that the GOP would feel no need to back Schwarzenegger in this election?

I don't think being moderate should be too big of a problem for the RNC, in the 2002 elections Bush and Rove both made an effort to support the nomination of moderate candidates to run in the general election. You make a good point though about California elections being more expensive, but the same would have go for the DNC in that it would cost money to defend Boxer. As I understand, Boxer is considered to be evil personified by Republicans in California, and with this victory under their belt they should be particularly encouraged to keep up their attack. The Califronia Republican State Party and Gov. Schwarzenegger should be able to raise a fair amount of cash, and if they manage to nominate a moderate candidate, I'd think Boxer could face a challenge..


As far as the national party and it's position on abortion, it doesn't really make sense to "moderate" just because of California. Like Ben said, pro-lifers are the most consistent Republican voters, and the Abortion issue is the key to Republican dominance in the South and Midwest, who together far outweigh California in electoral votes.