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  • #61
    I think the problem will never be solved until the Palestinians themselves begin to go after the terrorists groups. I also think that this will never happen so long as terrorists continue to lead Palestine.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
      I can't wait to see Israel's reaction. And then the Palestinian reaction. And then Israel's reaction...

      I've given up all hope that anybody in the region has any sense whatsoever.
      So far, in the last few weeks, Israel has only targeted Hamas and IJ. They have not attacked the PA or its security forces. They even seem to be avoiding attacking Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. They have not reoccupied anything. They have targeted Hamas leaders. They missed Sheik Yassin, apparently cause they used too small a bomb, in an attempt to avoid collateral damage. They have said they will judge the new Pal PM based on his actions.

      All in all a very restrained, sensible response.
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      • #63
        LOTM, you sound like US-bashers.
        Like they can do it all, all at once.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #64
          Originally posted by KrazyHorse
          Can somebody explain to me how the first attack was terrorist? All but one of the killed/injured were soldiers, and were legitimate military targets...
          Only if theres a war going on? Is there a war going on? Between who and whom? Between Israel and Hamas? If so then doesnt Israel have the right to attack Hamas members at will? And dont they have the right to attack PA when it gives shelter to Hamas? Can a state be at war with a non-state actor? Is Israel at war with the PA? What are the implications for that? IF so dont they then have the right to capture Arafat?
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          • #65
            Can a state be at war with a non-state actor?


            America is at war with Al-Qaeda, so yes.
            If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
              Can a state be at war with a non-state actor?


              America is at war with Al-Qaeda, so yes.
              Im not sure if thats technically true.
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              • #67
                Somebody should tell Dubya that then. He's been banging on about a War on Terrorism for 2 years now. If it isn't actually possible to declare war on the world's biggest terrorist organisation then the whole thing is rather pointless, no?
                If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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                • #68
                  You better batten down for a longer haul than 2 years, just like the man said from the very start.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
                    Somebody should tell Dubya that then. He's been banging on about a War on Terrorism for 2 years now. If it isn't actually possible to declare war on the world's biggest terrorist organisation then the whole thing is rather pointless, no?
                    Its a metaphor, like the war on drugs ("marijuana claimed today that being confiscated and destroyed violated its rights as a belligerent under the Geneva Convention") not a technical state of war, I believe.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
                      Can a state be at war with a non-state actor?


                      America is at war with Al-Qaeda, so yes.
                      Can a state be at war with a non-state actor, and not be at war with a state that harbors them? The US went to war with Afghanistan. All other states CLAIM to arrest any AQ members they find within their borders (whether thats precisely true or not) PA explicitly does NOT arrest Hamas members. What are the PA's obligations, if this is analogous to the war on Al Qaeeda? By failing to arrest Hamas leaders, are they not in the same situation legally as the Taliban when they failed to arrest Bin Laden?
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                      • #71
                        The problem with saying that you are at war would I would have thought give those who fight in the war protection unedr the Geneva convention. Irish Americans for years banged on about the conditions those plucky IRA boys were kept in
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                        • #72
                          Wow, Zylka has become a supporter of the state of Israel. It is amazing what love can do.
                          Yeah, ain't love grand.


                          Imagine, just get a Palestinian and a Jew together, would they not press for peace?
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                          • #73
                            just till the breakup...
                            If its no fun why do it? Dance like noone is watching...

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                            • #74
                              If they had decent beer in Israel, noone would care about fighting anymore. And they would look cool too
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                              • #75
                                I hope he wont apply to hamas if she dumbs him.


                                edit: argh daniel was faster

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