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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Actually the IDF has tried on numerous occasions to arrest them. They have a nasty tendency to kill IDF when that happens though.
Now if the PA would seriously begin to arrest these people, then IDF wouldnt have to kill them.
Actually the IDF has tried on numerous occasions to arrest them. They have a nasty tendency to kill IDF when that happens though.
Now if the PA would seriously begin to arrest these people, then IDF wouldnt have to kill them.
There have been dozens of counterinsurgency camapaings waged by dmeocratic governments this last century, some of them, like the war in Algeria, far bloodier than this whole sorry mess: and yet, I can;t think of any dmeocratic gov. taking steps like these: the French certainly tortured people and executed them without trials, but if they wanted to get said individual, they went ater them, not thought, "hell, lets low them up in their house, so their familuy gets killled..too bad, its the militant's fault if their kid gets illed. I mean, we decided to kill ther guy in way that we know will hurt ohter, but we couldn;t care less..they should realize we are willing to kill any local innocent to get them.." Sprry, but I find that mode of thinking little better than that mode of thinking which allows suicide bombings.
And then I try to think, what mindset allows for this: Yes, if Israeli tries to arrets these guys, IDF troops might die. But they knew they might die by joining the military: their job is to do their mission, and the political eladers that send them have a job to do and should in theory follow laws. As I have said, I can think of no other dmeocratic state that does or did things like that: they certainly undertook missions in which men were killed tyring to secure prisoners. So what then is the difference? Well, that in general these democratic states felt that their mission was not only to save themselves, but the others, from these individuals. They were fighting for the good of ther own, and the other people. This entiment is NOT there in the mid-east. If 20 Palestiians families go homeless to get two Hamas guys, the Irsaleic ould care less: removing the threat to Israelis is the only thing they care about..the suffereing of Pals is secondary most of the time. (and anyone who will argue about the "small bomb and trying to minimize civlian casualties last time...minimize, not avoid first of all, and if a 500 lb bombs hits a busy room, that minimizes nothing, so the sentiemnt is haf-fet at best). S the Irsaleis are trying to wage an insurgency with no regard for the local population, which sets them apart from all these other counterinsurgency campaings, and exactly why they will fail as they have failed since 1987, and it is about time the foreign community came in itself and solved this problem for the two sides, even if they do not want it solved. They are not, nor will they be at a level to solve it in a long time...
Yes, Hamas and IJ need to go, and so des the occupation regime, so lets wipe it all out at once, even if the two sides might dsagree, well, they aren't caable of doing it themselves.
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