"Conservatives only use hate & fear while Liberals use logic & reason."

[Japher]

All the non-Liberals are just intellectually challenged.

my mature respose to that:

All politicians are intellectually challenged, IMHO

[Whaleboy]

Japher:

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I agree Mr. Fun. Further it takes a real man to admite when he's misspoken. Will Elijah?

But I just find it incredible that some people do not see the obvious bigotry in such statements as, "Conservatives are cold-hearted, and hate all those who are different."


When I have stated such things in the past, they were for obvious trolling -- but apparently, Elijah wants us to take such statements seriously.

[Whaleboy]

"Conservatives are cold-hearted, and hate all those who are different."

I don't recall saying that! Where did I say that, or what did I say that caused you to infer that this was something I would have as my position?

Elijah wants us to take such statements seriously.

Again, I never said that, don't strawman me. Take what I do say seriously or not if you will, but don't even consider something that is something I didn't say, and use it as if it was.

Conservatives are cold-hearted, and hate all those who are different.

Conservatives can be a lot more than neocons. Indeed, by some economic measures, I am conservative!! (I'm a right-wing (libertarian) liberal). Cold hearted? Some of the nicest people I know are conservatives and I would never go so far to make such an insiduous, offensive and fallacious claim. Hate all those who are different? While I believe that conservatives are more likely to "hate" their "enemies", it would require four of my six senses to be blinded for me not to see that such a proposition is complete idiocy.

Indeed, its possible for conservatives to be relativists, particularly with moral relativism.

[The Andy-Man]

its only logical to expect that people will be afraid and have a tendancy to dislike a group of people that interfere with there old lifestyles.

[Dis]

whoah!

I think some of you are underestimating the positive qualities of hate and fear.

logic and reason can only take you so far when you are dealing with unreasonable people- ie muslims

[The Andy-Man]

logic and reason can only take you so far when you are dealing with unreasonable people- ie muslims

or republicans

[Whaleboy]

Perhaps, but I'm just arguing that to be at the conservative end of the spectrum. Its not a complete correlation, indeed, I bet there are intelligent conservatives here that would not succumb to that.

[Whaleboy]

Its necessary to hate Muslims (or terrorists presumably)? Its necessary to not use logic?

EDIT: Its necessary to hate?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by elijah


I don't recall saying that! Where did I say that, or what did I say that caused you to infer that this was something I would have as my position?



Again, I never said that, don't strawman me. Take what I do say seriously or not if you will, but don't even consider something that is something I didn't say, and use it as if it was.



Conservatives can be a lot more than neocons. Indeed, by some economic measures, I am conservative!! (I'm a right-wing (libertarian) liberal). Cold hearted? Some of the nicest people I know are conservatives and I would never go so far to make such an insiduous, offensive and fallacious claim. Hate all those who are different? While I believe that conservatives are more likely to "hate" their "enemies", it would require four of my six senses to be blinded for me not to see that such a proposition is complete idiocy.

Indeed, its possible for conservatives to be relativists, particularly with moral relativism.

No -- you didn't actually say the words I stated, but you put in so many other words -- or do they call it implications?

[Ben Kenobi]

You want proof that liberals can be destructive?

Start here:

http://www.abortionviolence.com/canada_british-columbia.html

[Whaleboy]

No -- you didn't actually say the words I stated, but you put in so many other words -- or do they call it implications?

If you're not reading my words properly, or are trying to string implied, assumed stuff together in a vain effort to discredit a liberal, then yes you may wish my argument to be that. However, if you read the post you quoted, it is not. Reading my previous posts, any misunderstanding is pretty difficult.

Is there a liberal/conservative position on abortion? How are pro-lifers liberals, and how does violence in a small number of people mean liberalism is destructive. Of course, we can be just as destructive as the next man.

[Ben Kenobi]

Prolifers are generally considered to be 'conservative' while the prochoicers are generally considered to be 'liberals'.

Elijah, you are very right. There are hotheads, both liberals and conservates, while the vast majority are well behaved.

The key words is that both sides are guilty of using violence to defend their position, both liberal and conservative.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by elijah


If you're not reading my words properly, or are trying to string implied, assumed stuff together in a vain effort to discredit a liberal, then yes you may wish my argument to be that. However, if you read the post you quoted, it is not. Reading my previous posts, any misunderstanding is pretty difficult.

Is there a liberal/conservative position on abortion? How are pro-lifers liberals, and how does violence in a small number of people mean liberalism is destructive. Of course, we can be just as destructive as the next man.

But ANY kind of generalization you make of any political group is wrong.

And yes -- I see that now you have realized that such generalizations are wrong.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrFun


But ANY kind of generalization you make of any political group is wrong.

And yes -- I see that now you have realized that such generalizations are wrong.

You've blatantly misrepresented what elijah originally said, and now are saying he has "realized" something he never professed wasn't true in the first place?

How strange...