"Conservatives only use hate & fear while Liberals use logic & reason."

[Whaleboy]

Elijah, you are very right. There are hotheads, both liberals and conservates, while the vast majority are well behaved.

The key words is that both sides are guilty of using violence to defend their position, both liberal and conservative

Agreed. As a person who deals with concepts, other peoples interpretations and actions upon them mean very little. I disagree with the BNP, not because they are racist thugs, but because their policies suck.

But ANY kind of generalization you make of any political group is wrong.

And yes -- I see that now you have realized that such generalizations are wrong.

Spelling Nazi: Spell it BRITISHLY!!!

Look at my argument, it is not a generalisation, merely an observation, backed up by conceptual evidence. A generalisation based upon that would be "Conservatives are less intelligent than liberals", which if you are reading, is something that I completely disagree with.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Indeed, all the intellectuals I know are liberal, whereas non-intellectuals (that is irrelevant to intelligence which is a completely irrelevant matter) have a far higher proportion of conservatives, in my experience, the experience of others, and speaking generically.

And there is the fly in the ointment. The 'proof' is based on personal experiences and generalizations based on those experiences.

[MikeH]

It is mostly true in the UK, to be fair.

[GePap]

Nothing interesting at all......

[Whaleboy]

And there is the fly in the ointment. The 'proof' is based on personal experiences and generalizations based on those experiences.

No, its based on the concepts behind either position and my personal experiences which are somewhat extensive. Indeed, if the situation wasn't as extreme, it wouldn't be fair to make a small scale generalisation about my experiences, but thats not the case. All the intellectuals (students, family, friends, extended family, friends of family, acquaintances etc) are liberals with no exception that I can think of (well Drogue claims to be a centrist but he has a similar liberalism to me).

[Kuciwalker]

Elijah: regarding your post on how neoconservatives rely on such things because they seek to impose their values on others (a basic summary), I'd like to point out that there are groups of liberals who seek to do this too. Soviet communists tried to impose their ideology on others as well. So you're still wrong.

[The Andy-Man]

'liberals use reason and logic...while conservatives only use fear and hate'

what about:
Liberals only use reason and logic....

??

[Whaleboy]

Thankyou GePap: Couldn't have put a description of this thread better myself!

Well... I suppose it could have been a lot more entertaining

MikeH: I imagine the situation is different in the USA, but I can think of numerous sociological factors for that being the case.

[Whaleboy]

Elijah: regarding your post on how neoconservatives rely on such things because they seek to impose their values on others (a basic summary), I'd like to point out that there are groups of liberals who seek to do this too. Soviet communists tried to impose their ideology on others as well. So you're still wrong.

The day I consider the Soviets to be liberal is the day I'll be chewing icicles in hell!! How do you arrive at the conclusion that they are liberal, when these are some of the most conservative people that ever lived!?!?!

EDIT: A liberal by my definition is a moral relativist and usually cultural too, though most are less extreme in that respect than me, but enough so to be inherently pacifist.

[Kuciwalker]

Communist = left-wing extreme = liberal.

Unless we're subscribing to the definition of liberals as those who use logic and reason. In which case I agree with you

[Odin]

Originally posted by GePap


Nothing interesting at all......

The Conservatives know they are wrong so they are insulting Elijah to pump up thier deflated egos.

[Kuciwalker]

GePap was dissing a conservative, Odin

[Whaleboy]

Communist = left-wing extreme = liberal.

How very one dimensional Not really worth serious response... unless I'm really provoked

Unless we're subscribing to the definition of liberals as those who use logic and reason. In which case I agree with you

[The Andy-Man]

how did people come to the conclusion reds are liberal?
And how did we get to liberals being left-wing?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by elijah
How very one dimensional Not really worth serious response... unless I'm really provoked

So communists are conservative? If you dismiss them becuase of their extreme ideology, you fall into the second case I described. There, I was only half joking.

Oh, I forgot to mention another consequence of that definition: I am a liberal and you are not

j/k