"Conservatives only use hate & fear while Liberals use logic & reason."

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
how did people come to the conclusion reds are liberal?
And how did we get to liberals being left-wing?

Ok... since when AREN'T liberals left-wing?

So, soon we won't call Democrats liberals either?

[The Andy-Man]

Democrats are harldy left-wing! I mean, I thought left wing was about socialism and comunitarianism, you guys use a modernized form for the basis of capitalism as 'left-wing'

Its a joke.

[Whaleboy]

And how did we get to liberals being left-wing?

Hell, I'm a right wing liberal!! Incidentally, libertarian communism is my ideology. Its a far more complex situation than simplistic interpretations would allow.

So communists are conservative?

Stalinists are. As a libertarian communist, I am not. As a right wing liberal, (the liberal has nothing to do with my interpretation of communism), I am definitely not. As an environmentalist, I am in the wide context.

If you dismiss them becuase of their extreme ideology, you fall into the second case I described. There, I was only half joking.

How that idea works in any consistent fashion is way beyond me.

Oh, I forgot to mention another consequence of that definition: I am a liberal and you are not

And that works doesn't it?

[Odin]

Libertarian Communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[GePap]

Originally posted by skywalker
GePap was dissing a conservative, Odin

Come on, this thread is the equivalent of a boring intellectual tea party, and we are unlucky enough that the sweets are stale and the tea cold. Given that everyone was told not to be controversial, and given the general low level of dabte on this issue in any thread,

[Whaleboy]

Economics, liberty, environment, idealism, logic/objectivity, determinism;

These are just a few dimensions to the question of political positions there are probably many many more.

Its idiocy to attempt to define what and where each position can correspond to another, and then say, "that is liberal, that is conservative". Like I said, the situation is way more complex than that. I can adopt elements of conservatism, communism, libertarianism etc etc that would appear complete opposites on a 1/2 dimensional spectrum, but are more and more consistent the more dimensions you add!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Odin
Libertarian Communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Nothing is an oxymoron, if one admits enough shades of grey. A world beyond black and white allows for far more interesting pics.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by elijah


Hell, I'm a right wing liberal!! Incidentally, libertarian communism is my ideology. Its a far more complex situation than simplistic interpretations would allow.



Stalinists are. As a libertarian communist, I am not. As a right wing liberal, (the liberal has nothing to do with my interpretation of communism), I am definitely not. As an environmentalist, I am in the wide context.



How that idea works in any consistent fashion is way beyond me.



And that works doesn't it?

right-wing liberal and libertarian communism are oxymorons

You're as messed up as Floyd.

[Whaleboy]

GePap: We need conservative opposition! jk

[Imran Siddiqui]

All the intellectuals (students, family, friends, extended family, friends of family, acquaintances etc) are liberals with no exception that I can think of (well Drogue claims to be a centrist but he has a similar liberalism to me).

And this proves the point? The people you surround yourself with stand for the population at large? What about the vast numbers of intelligent conservatives that you may see on television or read posts from, etc?

[Whaleboy]

Libertarian Communism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

If you want to be simplistic, its anarchism. That simplistic interpretation requires more explanation, as with classic anarchism, the right wing liberalism it allows would destroy the former. Hence, I am libertarian communist, and a right wing liberal.

A world beyond black and white allows for far more interesting pics.

GePap: Couldn't have put it better! I love you man!!!

right-wing liberal and libertarian communism are oxymorons

How so?

You're as messed up as Floyd.

However Floyd is, he obviously is a god! jk

[Verto]

All the intellectuals (students, family, friends, extended family, friends of family, acquaintances etc) are liberals with no exception that I can think of (well Drogue claims to be a centrist but he has a similar liberalism to me).

Hm...what can I do to make me feel better about myself?


"It is a well known fact that all non-Americans are weak. It's just easier for them."

[Whaleboy]

And this proves the point? The people you surround yourself with stand for the population at large? What about the vast numbers of intelligent conservatives that you may see on television or read posts from, etc?

Surround myself? Was born into? Randomly know people? The vast numbers of intelligent conservatives; many of whom are not intellectuals, and those that are are tended to be needed to speak with a loud voice anyway. They dont necessarily represent the voice or the demographic of most conservatives.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The vast numbers of intelligent conservatives; many of whom are not intellectuals

Especially when you define 'intellectual' as those people that chose more 'liberal' professions, such as teaching .

They dont necessarily represent the voice or the demographic of most conservatives.

Neither do most intelligent liberals, as far as I'm aware.

[Whaleboy]

Hm...what can I do to make me feel better about myself?

Weed, alcohol, parties, sex, omnipotence. Its not that hard .

"It is a well known fact that all non-Americans are weak. It's just easier for them."

I love Americans! I don't like their government. Just because I disagree with the neocon position is no basis for me to say that I think they are less intelligent.