So, can we finally all admit Bush & Co. lied?

[chequita guevara]

It's not one guy, BD, it's a leaked DIA report.

[Shi Huangdi]

It's one guy, supposedly using DIA information to back him up. The story doesn't like to any DIA paper.

[Spiffor]

Shi :

OK, let's make it theoretical.

IF it was obvious and widely prooved that intelligence has been voluntarily "oriented" and "exaggerated" by your administration in order to provide false evidence calling for war, how would you react ?

I'm very interested in your answer.

[Boris Godunov]

Shi is ignoring that in the UK, the same thing is happening, so it's not just "one guy."

Again, Shi...why do you believe the politicians so readily?

[Edan]

Originally posted by MRT144


so i guess hitler was good because without him where would israel be today?

With at least 50% more population, I should think.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Shi :

OK, let's make it theoretical.

IF it was obvious and widely prooved that intelligence has been voluntarily "oriented" and "exaggerated" by your administration in order to provide false evidence calling for war, how would you react ?

I'm very interested in your answer.

If it was obvious and widely proved that they had made up false evidence I would be very upset.

[chequita guevara]

Let's put it another way, BD, the Administration isn't denying it.

[Odin]

I think the Neo-cons plan was:


Get Iraq's oil reserves, hence making OPEC irrelavent.

Have a more central location for bases in the ME.

Gain support of E. Europe, weakening the EU.

get a base to go after Iran.


The lying is because most people don't like the New World Order. The NWOers are using bush as a puppet, it seems to me that Bush and Powell have very little power, it is mostly Cheney, Rummy and Wolfy that have power. Onece peope figure out the Neo-cons' hidden agenda the Republican Party will be dead.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Um... Odin... you realize Bush IS a neo-con... and therefore is with Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfy, and not Powell?

And I'm sure most people don't mind the "NWO". Power politics didn't turn off America in the past, and it won't now.

[chequita guevara]

The American people don't like it when it's screwing them. Mention NAFTA in almost any bar and y'er sure to get a bunch of growls.

[Plan Austral]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I agree with Azazel, but not for the 'liberation' aspect (who really cares, eh?). It's a nice power play. In someways kinda like Reagan with those tiny wars in Latin America saying, hey, we're big, bad, and we'll **** you up. In essense, one reason was to tell the Islamic world that we aren't just gonna putz around in Afghanistan and that's it. Secondly, it gives you a nice base in the middle of the Mid East for deployment to deal with the terrorist problem in the future, without having to actually depend on Saudi Arabia (who knows what will happen in the future when the anti-American Crown Prince ascends fully).

If we can get some nice military bases and a fairly stable government in Iraq, it'll all be worth it. I'm not exactly a utilitarian, but I always believe that the ends can justify the means .

Are you happy for supporting your country in a war of conquest?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
Templar, actually most liars I notice in politics, happen to be on the left.

Considering how many times you have been caught in outright lies on this message board, I find it very ironic that you say this. In fact, I think the above is probably a lie as well.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You think I'd be sad if something I supported happened? Why?

[Az]

...Imran....

[Odin]

I know Bush is a neo-con, but he's not so neocon as the others, on a scale of one to ten Wolfy is a 10, Cheney is a 9, Rummy is an 8, Bush is a 5, and Powell is a 1.